Scans at MangaHelpers, translations available here and here.
By the way, cardcaptorkiki and cutesherry scanned the covers of Tsubasa #27 (normal, deluxe and OAD editions), you can check them here and here. Do check the deluxe edition scan since I’ll use it to theorize on Tsubasa xD
So the clones will reborn in a new life but their memories will remain. That reminds me, does Sakura still can’t remember Syaoran prior to losing her feathers? xD She realized that she was a clone by herself, so you never know how far she knows by now.
Yuuko then says that they will eventually reach “this moment” one more time (after being reborn in their new life). Aha, that is important.
Then she adds that right now, because Fei Wang broke the worlds’ logic, time is not running in a single line, and instead, we have past and future intertwined. And the decisions made in the present reflect on both past and future. That is important as well.
The clones will be reborn, but they will once more meet their original selves (Real!Syaoran and Real!Sakura) and when that happens, they will make another decision.
Finally, Yuuko tells them that they will be reborn in the same world, same dimension and same time, so that they will surely meet. Then we have some lovely and well-deserved moment between Sakura and Syaoran where she finally says she loves him. Awww.
Now, speculations time.
This chapter made me more and more convinced that the clones are real!Syaoran’s parents, also known as the Sakura and Syaoran who were on the tube and are now fighting against Fei Wang. I first mentioned this possibility a couple of chapter ago, and now I’m more confident about it. Why? For several reasons.
– The clones will reborn in a new dimension and will definitely meet each other again. Their memories will remain.
– They will live “this moment” again. And here I think that “this moment” doesn’t necessarily means that conversation with Yuuko, but rather the battle with Fei Wang that is happening at the same time of that conversation. They, as “clones”, haven’t experienced that moment yet, but they will in their new life. Remember, past, future and present are connected.
– In their new lives, they will meet their other selves once again. Their other selves are real!Syaoran and real!Sakura, who are there in the battlefield with Fei Wang. They’ll make a decision when that meeting happens, that part I think it hasn’t happened yet.
– It would explain why Jr. look exactly like his father (because his father was cloned after him).
– 2 chapters ago Yuuko tells Fei Wang that Clow gave his powers (or part of them) to papa!Syaoran, who uses Clow’s magic to protect everyone from Fei Wang. In the previous chapter Yuuko tells the clone that Clow left his powers (or part of them) to him.
– When the clone “dies”, we see a sparkling piece which later turns out to be Fye’s eye. In the deluxe cover, mama!Sakura is holding a very similar piece (which may not be Fye’s eye, just another piece xD)
– It would explain how Seishirou met real!Syaoran father (because he met the clone during the time he was in Clow).
– When they appeared at the battlefield, Mokona asked why they look looked exactly like Sakura and Syaoran, even down to their clothes (and we know CLAMP is serious when it comes to clothes).
– That would mean the Syaoran and Sakura from the opening scene of the manga are the main characters of the manga and also the people who “saved the day” at the end of all. I mean, isn’t it MUCH better to have a familiar Syaoran and Sakura in the opening scene rather than a brand new pair that never appeared before?
phew… I hope that’s convincing enough o.o In all honesty, there isn’t much time for CLAMP to show “this moment” that Yuuko talks about happening again, or showing the clones meeting their original selves again in their new lives, BECAUSE THAT IS ALREADY HAPPENING! =D They are already experiencing “this moment” and they already met their original selves, that saves pages when we have 150 pages left to finish your story xD
I am well aware of the huge paradox that comes with the clone being real!Syaoran’s parent. It’s a loop, and like any other loop, there isn’t an answer of what came first. One was born for and from the other.
I’ve never been so sure about something in Tsubasa as I am with this! 8D And it’s all thanks to jlarinda, who considered that theory first, I just read it and saw some potential.
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– They will live “this moment” again. And here I think that “this moment” doesn’t necessarily means that conversation with Yuuko, but rather the battle with Fei Wang that is happening at the same time of that conversation. They, as “clones”, haven’t experienced that moment yet, but they will in their new life. Remember, past, future and present are connected.
Nevermind that the final battle has been referred to as “That moment” for like. most of both TRC and HOLiC. So that “This moment” would be the final battle with FWR (that they’ve interrupted in order to tell us about the clones’ fates) makes perfect sense.
IDK I can still see some ways in which CLAMP could go “LOL NO FOOLED YOU AGAIN”, but so far this makes the most sense.
Basically, it’s a terrible moment for a goddamned break. I’m pretty sure that next chapter will give a definite explanation on this matter.
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Nevermind that the final battle has been referred to as “That moment” for like. most of both TRC and HOLiC. So that “This moment” would be the final battle with FWR (that they’ve interrupted in order to tell us about the clones’ fates) makes perfect sense.
Exactly, that too!
Yeah, CLAMP could fool us all, but I too feel that this is it. I think the next chapter will put an end to this, too. We’re running out of time, or pages xD
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Yeah, CLAMP could fool us all, but I too feel that this is it. I think the next chapter will put an end to this, too. We’re running out of time, or pages xD
If this is ‘it’, couldn’t the decision have already been made? i.e. the decision to fight, or reconnect the worlds, or whatever it is they are doing with their magic? That, again, would save pages…
On another note, if they fix time, won’t that affect the time paradox?
So maybe, *very tentatively puts out a new one* the decision is this:
Do you continue living, knowing that time/space will remain fractured, or do you, with your amassed/inherited/own powers, fix that broken time/space, which will also wipe out your existence?
I’m back to being worried for Watanuki.. that is when the egg will come in, right?
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OMG!!!!!!! now that you put this, this way and every thing revealed in this chapter everything have a logic and an explanation!!!!!!! And I remembered that 2 chapters ago said that The clones were the parents….. I thought that, that was impossible but now with Yuuko’s explanation and you’re explanation……
OMG!!!! OMG!!!! CLAMP is awsome!!!!! they thought in every single detail from the begining of the creation of this manga (also from xxxHolic) How many chapter, are left NOW!!!!! 8 chapters?????
OMG!!!! this is getting better!!!! and better!!!!
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Hahahaha yeah when I first saw the theory I saw a huge potential. Because this is Tsubasa, a series that deals with time-travel, among other subjects. So why not?
But I was so sure as I am of it NOW after this chapter and after the deluxe cover 8D
I think there must be around 8 chapters left indeed =)
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They are so totally Jr.’s parents. So totally totally totally. That’s how they knew about all this going down. Everything fits.
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Yeah, yeah! Totally =D
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That will make the clones very special characters as they appeared in deluxe cover twice.
Thanks for the great theory and explanations, and . ^^
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Precisely! They were the main characters throughout the whole series, after all!
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I think I`m beginning to understand it more xD
I can’t believe CLAMP planned this out since the beginning! xD
hopefully they won’t kill our brains again … x___X I think they will…
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Yes, they did planned everything out xD
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Works for me o/
Really, it fits perfectly. Thank you guys! It feels like breathing again XD
On another note… if this is the last tank of Tsubasa I don’t see Holic having a 16th one, so… this means that we’ll only have 3 chapters left or so of xxxHOLiC?
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Glad I (we) could help! Hope it’s really the case xD
On another note… if this is the last tank of Tsubasa I don’t see Holic having a 16th one, so… this means that we’ll only have 3 chapters left or so of xxxHOLiC?
I do see a 16th XXXHOLiC volume, while I think Tsubasa could end in volume 28, I don’t think XXXHOLiC can end in 2 or even 3 chapters.
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It would also justify why Sakura saw Syaoran banging on the glass in chapter one when she had the broken vision of the future.
As for the question of for and from, I think Ohkawa is making Syaoran into a godhead or more specifically her version of the Trinity. Father, Son, and Spirit. All the same, all coming from and after each other, but all different. It’s no coincidence that they called the first OADs Tokyo Revelations–it was literally the coming of the Son complete with rain of destructive fire by the Spirit. Add this with the fact that Syaoran and Sakura have long since become her Vishnu and Lakshmi and you have one messed up scripture going on here. *laughs* I love how she’s able to flawlessly teach theology. Too bad it’s lost on most readers.
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This is the reason why I can’t quite decide if Ms. Ohkawa is a sensationalist or a genius.
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*grins* Judging by the reaction of her readers a little of both, I think.
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It would also justify why Sakura saw Syaoran banging on the glass in chapter one when she had the broken vision of the future.
Well reminded! So it means that’s her own vision!
Too bad it’s lost on most readers.
Including me o.o I’m not aware of any of these names and facts, but it sounds interesting!
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The fact that a Clamp manga just made me go forth and look up Hindu theology again is yet another sign of their strange greatness.
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That’s amazing! How did you get to Vishnu and Parvati? I’m very familiar with Hindu theology, but that didn’t register at all until you mentioned it!
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I’m glad the connection struck something with you too! I think I came to the association when I read the Ramayana. Rama and Sita’s relationship and the verses that alluded to them reflect too nicely in Syaoran and Sakura to be a coincidence, especially considering how knowledgeable Ohkawa has already shown herself to be of Hindu theology.
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That only gets stranger with each link you find *smiles*
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>>It’s a loop, and like any other loop, there isn’t an answer of what came first. One was born for and from the other.
That is what I like best from this manga I think. The unique trait of a loop, no one but Clamp-sama can spun it into a manga as complex as this. *feels full of love now*
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It’s the loop that was missing in Tsubasa. When you deal with time-travel, you’re bound to have a loop.
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After reading your theory, I think the points listed by you can really suit the situation and it also feels like what Clamp would do XD I have also read a similar speculation a few days before in a Chinese forum, but yours sounds a lot more convincing. I can only worship Miss Ohkawa for her extraordinary brainpower…making the whole fandom upside down for several times
We thought they were real at the beginning> We know they were clones> We think CCS pair was the parent> Clones reborn and they may be the parents now…Oh…
If this theory is indeed true(which I hope so), I think there are several points to be answered:
1.Why papa.Syaoran(C.Syaoran reborn ver) know the “Shuorai” spells and also Chinese-typed magic?
Possible ans: Can it be because Clow also gives him this power? Or because he was born in a family which knows Chinese magic?
2.Why, back in ch.217, when the CCS Sakura gives the star wand to mama.Sakura, the CCS Sakura said the star wand is the most important thing to mama.Sakura? It also looks like that mama.Sakura knows about the cards.
Possible ans: Maybe CCS Sakura refers to another thing? (Quite unlikely in my opinion)
3.Mama.Sakura also has very STRONG magical power, where does it come from? We all know that Clone.Sakura does not have magic, and it is the Star Magic too.
I still can’t think of any possible ans. at the moment.= =
I really hope that the clones are the parent, it makes the story much special, I LOVE IT!>333333< Then it explains why mama.Sakura has dreamseer ability(of coz the CCS one has that as well), and it will be quite funny to know that papa.Syaoran teaches little Syaoran magic which causes little Syaoran to give half an eye to the Clone, what a funny relationship!
Sorry for typing up an essay = = But thinking about this theory really makes me feel high-spirited.:] I love complicated things and paradoxes!!!
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Well, CCS|Sakura could have been referring to the fact that Junior’s mother needed the star wand to give as a price to Yuuko. In fact, Yuuko could literally have asked for a “precious item” in return for her services.
Also, C|Sakura was apparently cloned with all of the magical abilities of R|Sakura, but I’m not sure if they would carry over into her “next life.” Hm.
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Well, CCS|Sakura could have been referring to the fact that Junior’s mother needed the star wand to give as a price to Yuuko. In fact, Yuuko could literally have asked for a “precious item” in return for her services.
That too! But I think it’s also “important” because with the staff mama!Sakura learned how to use her magic properly? After all Yuuko asks for a precious item that belongs to that person and is precious for that person.
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We all know that Clone.Sakura does not have magic
Huh? We’re told from the very beginning that she’s got huge magic powers. Cloned or not, she saw the future, she “talked” to that hurricane and to Emeraude, she saw ghosts in Tokyo, etc.
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>Huh? We’re told from the very beginning that she’s got huge magic powers. Cloned or not, she saw the future, she “talked” to that hurricane and to Emeraude, she saw ghosts in Tokyo, etc.
Hmm, i didn’t consider that at first because my mind is on the star magic which the only user known to have possessed is CCS Sakura…so the power C.Sakura possessed (as you have suggested) is somehow quite different from star magic.
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We thought they were real at the beginning> We know they were clones> We think CCS pair was the parent> Clones reborn and they may be the parents now…Oh…
Hahahaha indeed! They fooled us big time XD
1.Why papa.Syaoran(C.Syaoran reborn ver) know the “Shuorai” spells and also Chinese-typed magic?
Possible ans: Can it be because Clow also gives him this power? Or because he was born in a family which knows Chinese magic?
I think it could be both =) Remember his and Sakura’s clothes were chinese-based? On Jr.’s flashbacks we see them and also when mama!Sakura meets CCS!Sakura. So he could have learned it in a chinese-based country.
2.Why, back in ch.217, when the CCS Sakura gives the star wand to mama.Sakura, the CCS Sakura said the star wand is the most important thing to mama.Sakura? It also looks like that mama.Sakura knows about the cards.
Possible ans: Maybe CCS Sakura refers to another thing? (Quite unlikely in my opinion)
I’ve wondered that too, and this is my opinion: I think it’s important so that Sakura could exercise her magic power. With CCS!Sakura’s wand, she will be able to control her magic so that she can use it later (for casting the spell in Syaoran to go to the tube, to turn back time when Jr. makes his decision, etc).
3.Mama.Sakura also has very STRONG magical power, where does it come from? We all know that Clone.Sakura does not have magic, and it is the Star Magic too.
I still can’t think of any possible ans. at the moment.= =
I think she has magic powers because she was cloned from Real!Sakura. And we’ve seen her “God’s daughter” powers in the series. I think her new reborn life also has such powers, and with CCS!Sakura’s wands, maybe they became even stronger.
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1.Why papa.Syaoran(C.Syaoran reborn ver) know the “Shuorai” spells and also Chinese-typed magic?
Possible ans: Can it be because Clow also gives him this power? Or because he was born in a family which knows Chinese magic?
I think it could be both =) Remember his and Sakura’s clothes were chinese-based? On Jr.’s flashbacks we see them and also when mama!Sakura meets CCS!Sakura. So he could have learned it in a chinese-based country.
I think this is true – I mean if mama and papa knew there was going to be a very big battle, surely they would try to learn as much magic of every variety to help them?
2.Why, back in ch.217, when the CCS Sakura gives the star wand to mama.Sakura, the CCS Sakura said the star wand is the most important thing to mama.Sakura? It also looks like that mama.Sakura knows about the cards.
Possible ans: Maybe CCS Sakura refers to another thing? (Quite unlikely in my opinion)
I’ve wondered that too, and this is my opinion: I think it’s important so that Sakura could exercise her magic power. With CCS!Sakura’s wand, she will be able to control her magic so that she can use it later (for casting the spell in Syaoran to go to the tube, to turn back time when Jr. makes his decision, etc).
3.Mama.Sakura also has very STRONG magical power, where does it come from? We all know that Clone.Sakura does not have magic, and it is the Star Magic too.
I still can’t think of any possible ans. at the moment.= =
I think she has magic powers because she was cloned from Real!Sakura. And we’ve seen her “God’s daughter” powers in the series. I think her new reborn life also has such powers, and with CCS!Sakura’s wands, maybe they became even stronger.
We know that Sakura’s copy was a more complete copy, so that is viable. And I think the answers to both of these questions are related to the wand. CCS!Sakura also had great powers, but we don’t see them in action until she receives her staff. And when she exercises the powers, they grow stronger. Even Eriol was still using a staff. I think a staff to a magical being is a tool, like what a wand is to a witch or wizard in Harry Potter.
As for it being Star magic – well, it IS a Sakura with a STAR staff – same soul, cloned no less. So why shouldn’t we expect Star power?
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Wow, I’m a bit confused. I mean, I understand perfectly about the clones being the parents, and to be honest, that theory is great and I definitely think is true. But I thought that Jr.’s parents where CCS syaoran and CCS sakura. So which is it? I don’t know if I missed something, or if CCS Syaoran and Sakura are the clones? I totally got confused with the bunch of Syaorans and Sakuras.
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You probably missed it ^^ A few chapters ago, when Jr’s parents shows up, the Sakura that is his mother tells him that she met CCS!Sakura in a dream (she gave her star staff to her). So she can’t be Jr’s mother, right? ^^
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No, I actually read that chapter, and that’s exactly where I got confused. Now I understand. I thought that CCS!Sakura that gave the staff to Jr’s mother was the same as Jr’s mother, just from the past, or something like that. If they are not the same, then that totally makes sense now. Thanks ^^
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CCS!Sakura is the one who gave Mama!Sakura the Star Staff so they’re two different people. And if the above suggestions are correct, clone!Sakura=Mama!Sakura.
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Yeah…now it all makes sense. I was just confused becuase I understood that the sakura that gave the staff to Mama! Sakura was the same, just from the past. There was so many Sakuras by then that I just couldn’t keep up. Thanks ^^
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Np! I need to reread TRC and XXXholic from beginning to end so it makes sense.
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Thank you chibiyuuto 😀
Im confused as lately xD but i understand the whole thing about the clones being the real syao and sakura, and the infinite loop between them, but then just like asahi_roxy said are they the CSSSyao and CSSakura?
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No they aren’t =) Check my answer to asahi_roxy’s comment: http://chibiyuuto.livejournal.com/250563.html?thread=10412483#t10412483
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clamp is once more breaking my poor brain. But i do think your theory is correct…(while reading our explanation I had Harry Potter 3 with it’s time loop in my head)
Ugh, and more info is suddenly tossed our way Via Yuuko in Holic this week. She’s suddenly rather informative.
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Harry Potter 3! I know, right? XDDD
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I am inclined with agreeing on this, paradoxes aside it would give both characters a lot of more depth than the just plain old tsukuri-mono.
Thanks for sharing! 😀
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I didn’t like that random S+S pair coming out of nowhere to save the day. This would make me so much happier.
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That souns very clever! and “even down to their clothes (and we know CLAMP is serious when it comes to clothes).” I laughted with that XD absolutely true
And I wont forget Clamp about how they are treating Yuuko in both stories ¬_¬
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HAHAHAHA well you get to learn a few things about them after reading a couple of their works, right? XDDDDDDD
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Touché D: I need to agree, and can’t wait to read more chapters anyway!
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I came up with that theory too! …But just because of Yuuko’s words, I didn’t take so many details into account… If was 90% sure before, after your explaination I’m 99% sure!
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Congrats!!! I wasn’t able to come up with it, I sort of stole it from someone else and developed from it, but I see no other way =)
I’m also 99% sure (because you’re never 100% sure when it comes to CLAMP @_@)
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Win. Seriously, as confused as everyone is, I’m just really happy for the Clones. The last bit was beyond cute, and I’m just glad CLAMP gave us that. 🙂
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It was well-deserved =)
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Your theory is very convincing to say the least and it indeed does conveniently explain a lot of things we had on our minds ^^
Still, from what I see, you only considered 2 possibilities: they are either CCS|SxS or the clones reincarnations, but not both of them together.
Because while the theory justify their being the clones, on the other hand it does not disqualify them as being *possibly* CCS|SxS.
“Syaoran is Clow Reed’s relative”
This is a sentence that was repeated again and again by both Yuuko and FWR.
Simple facts:
1-FWR knows that Son|Syaoran is related to Clow; so one of his parents is evidently too; then FWR very logically knows Dad|Syaoran is related to Clow.
but
2- FWR did not know Dad|Syaoran could use Clow’s magic.
= FWR knows Dad|Syaoran is related to Clow Reed without knowing he is the reincarnation of the clone and convinced he could not use Clow’s magic.
== FWR personal identification of Dad|Syaoran would then be: someone who is blood related to Clow Reed, got a chinese jian, use Moon/Chinese oriented magic, is married with a “Sakura” who’s got Stars Magic, but never shown at any moment he could use Clow’s magic = CCS|Syaoran.
I seriously and sincerely DEEPLY HATE the option CCS=Clones since it would really destroy CCS from start to end, it would be like CCS was a ‘back story’ featuring the re-encounter of the 2 ex-clones better then the sweet and heartwarming story between two adorable persons who learned to love each other in spite of their different.
But at this point it still *unfortunately* a possibility between many others of course.
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I don’t think CCS=Clones at all. I never even considered that, because they are not. Their memories will remain even after they are reborn, and in CCS neither Sakura nor Syaoran seem to remember anything. That is only one proof that CCS are not the clones, there are others =)
Now, as to Jr’s Clow blood-relation, I think since clone!Syaoran inherited Clow’s magic, you could say his son is a descendant of Clow? Or rather, maybe the clone will reincarnate in a family that is related to Clow?
But I think it could be explained my the magic transfer.
I wonder if FWR knew that Jr’s father is the very clone himself did. Probably not. I guess this is where Clow and Yuuko foresaw more then Fei Wang did.
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In TRC, it was said that Mom|Sakura started having dreams of the future awaiting her son, about someone waiting for him and that when she was nearing the end of her pregnancy she almost couldn’t use her powers at all; and Dad|Syaoran, as far as Clamp told us, only repeated his wife’s dreams to their son and acted upon what he was told by her, implying he didn’t know anything on his own.
As for the blood relation, Clow Reed offered his magic as a price to allow Clone|Syaoran to have the possibility to reincarnate in the Future, it’s not some kind of transfer of power from one being to another.
And even if the reincarnated Clone|Syaoran *inherited* somehow Clow’s magic as a bonus, that certainly doesn’t make him family of Clow, considering how much both FWR and Yuuko insisted on the *blood ties* when talking about it.
It also doesn’t match with FWR’s knowledge if we suppose this blood relationship is solely based on this inheriting magic thing: FWR doesn’t know that Dad|Syaoran is the clone, but he does know he is related to Clow? Then in FWR’s mind, how is Dad|Syaoran related to Clow if he doesn’t know anything about the whole transfer and reincarnating deal? This makes no sens.
Now, you also said the clone might have been reincarnated in a family that is related to Clow but then what? Clow Reed is from CCS world, and Dad|Syaoran is named “Syaoran Li”; should we suppose there are 2 identical “Syaoran Li” in the same dimension? The reincarnated clone and the CCS one?
And let’s not forget what Dad|Syaoran said to his son: about how the sword was inherited from father to son in the Li family and how he inherited it himself from his own father (=Son|Syaoran grand father). So Dad|Syaoran is not a repeat of Eriol/Fujitaka cases in which they appeared from nowhere…
And what about the rest? For example, Son|Syaoran recognized his grand mother in the priestess Nadeshiko, saying he saw her photographs (just like in CCS) implying clearly he had never seen her in real life (of course since she is dead…). Or about the fact he is from “Japan”? And let’s not forget he went *walking* to Yuuko’s shop, Son|syaoran and his parents are from Holic and Holic’s world was proved to be the same as CCS’s.
Did the clones reincarnated in a parallel identical world to CCS’s? Isn’t it just a bit TOO convenient to explains thing?
There are just too many unclear things in all this -___-
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Simple facts:
1-FWR knows that Son|Syaoran is related to Clow; so one of his parents is evidently too; then FWR very logically knows Dad|Syaoran is related to Clow.
but
2- FWR did not know Dad|Syaoran could use Clow’s magic.
Again, I wonder if blood sharing or something related is involved in magic transfers.
It also doesn’t match with FWR’s knowledge if we suppose this blood relationship is solely based on this inheriting magic thing: FWR doesn’t know that Dad|Syaoran is the clone, but he does know he is related to Clow?
If the son!Syao doesn’t know that his father is a reincarnation of a clone, then i don’t think FWR could either. What happened between the clones and Yuuko is happening in a dream – everyone else is focused on the main battle. And just like Kero and Yue could feel Clow’s presence when Eriol was about, maybe FWR just feels the latent presence of Clow, via Clone!Reincarnated!Father!Syaoran. after all, FWR doesn’t seem to be the brightest of the bunch…
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cutesherry-san, I also think that there are quite a few things to be explained properly before we can declare that Clone reborn version are the parents. However, I think I can offer some explanations to the points you have made.
In TRC, it was said that Mom|Sakura started having dreams of the future awaiting her son, about someone waiting for him and that when she was nearing the end of her pregnancy she almost couldn’t use her powers at all; and Dad|Syaoran, as far as Clamp told us, only repeated his wife’s dreams to their son and acted upon what he was told by her, implying he didn’t know anything on his own.
>>>For this, I think it can also be explained that papa.Syaoran indeed knows what will happen, but he would not tell his son because imagine what will happen if he told his son? It will be much more mess (Can’t figure out the consequences = =)
As for the blood relation, Clow Reed offered his magic as a price to allow Clone|Syaoran to have the possibility to reincarnate in the Future, it’s not some kind of transfer of power from one being to another……. So Dad|Syaoran is not a repeat of Eriol/Fujitaka cases in which they appeared from nowhere…
>>> that is also one of my doubts over the theory. My thought is that clone.Syaoran is reborn in a family along Clow’s bloodline, so he is blood-related to Clow but at the same time inherit his magic because of the price paid by Clow himself. It will be conveniently explained that clone Syaoran was reborn in the Chinese side of Clow’s bloodline, given his Chinese clothes and his sword and his ability to use the “shourai” spells.
And what about the rest? For example, Son|Syaoran recognized his grand mother in the priestess Nadeshiko, saying he saw her photographs (just like in CCS) implying clearly he had never seen her in real life (of course since she is dead…).
>>> I can’t think of any possible solution to this. But we can say that mama.Sakura is NOT CCS.Sakura, because the scene with CCS.Sakura giving her wand to mama.Sakura will not make sense if they were the same person. So, the implication of role of Nadeshiko is REALLY a big problem. And it leads me to think about Fujitaka also, he should be mama.Sakura’s father, but why are there Fujitaka in different universe? There is only one Clow Reed as we know…
Or about the fact he is from “Japan”? And let’s not forget he went *walking* to Yuuko’s shop, Son|syaoran and his parents are from Holic and Holic’s world was proved to be the same as CCS’s.
Did the clones reincarnated in a parallel identical world to CCS’s? Isn’t it just a bit TOO convenient to explains thing?
>>>It confuses me also. Since little Syaoran lives in modern Japan, (in Ch.189), it is difficult to make them a Clow-relative but not the CCS one.
I hope it makes sense, because I cannot be sure of many things and it makes my explanations rather clumsy >.< Sorry for anything far-fetched.
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A note about Nadeshiko and the fact that Junior’s parents apparently kept photographs of her: there are, in fact, photographs in Clow country, as evidenced by Syaoran’s photo of himself and Fujitaka together. This is something of a stretch, but what if a photograph of Queen Nadeshiko remained after the time rewind? If Sakura requested it, then it’s likely that Yuuko would have retrieved it for her.
Of course, Sakura could have just been reborn with another Nadeshiko as her mother.
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Oh my…
WAIT!! Does that make Clone!Syaoran & Clone!Sakura Watanuki’s parents!!!???? And Watanuki’s name….!!!
OMG. & LOLz
After reading your theories, I can’t help laughing at certain things after I thought about it…
Scenario: Syaoran questioning his father after the battle ended
Syaoran: Father! You tried to kill me not once but twice!! Look at this scar you gave me!!! So mean!!!! *puppy eyes cry and shows scar on thigh* And I can’t believe you killed mum once… But.. I guess I’ll forgive you for saving me in the end… (whispers: Oh yeah, how does Fay-san’s eye taste like?) And speaking of clone… You’re my clone and yet you’re my father. So who’s the egg and who’s the hen?!
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HAHAHAHA I wish CLAMP would do an Epilogue with that dialog just for cracking us up xD
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LOOOOOOOL! This just made my day! You just forgot this bit…
Syaoran: … and can I finally use my real name now? *mumbles* …coz having your name is just too much trouble!
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Well, I guess that theory does make sense – in the same way that I can see just about anything happen in TRC right now, but there’s one thing that I can’t quite place here. Doesn’t R!Syao refer to Clow Reed as his father’s distant ancestor? So if his father is a clone, he… technically wasn’t born like all other human beings, which in turn means he has no blood relatives, so he can’t have an ancestor.
Unless the clones are not ‘reborn’ a la Eriol and Fujitaka (aka magically) like I was thinking. Then Syaoran will be, um, naturally born into either the Li clan or the Reed family, and Sakura will… get a random family.
… but that still leaves us with two different sets of Syaoran/Sakura in the same world – original CCS!syaosaku and reborn!C!syaosaku. AAAAAAAAAAHH. DDDDX
Posso pedir pro Syao nascer como filhote do Clow e da Yuuko, posso? Aí o Watanuki é tecnicamente neto deles, ahahahaha. XDDD /shot
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Doesn’t R!Syao refer to Clow Reed as his father’s distant ancestor? So if his father is a clone, he… technically wasn’t born like all other human beings, which in turn means he has no blood relatives, so he can’t have an ancestor.
Maybe in his new life he was born in a family that is related to Clow, or maybe when Clow transferred his powers to the clone, that automatically makes his son “related” to Clow?
Then Syaoran will be, um, naturally born into either the Li clan or the Reed family, and Sakura will… get a random family.
Could be, but that would mean they were born on our own world, in China?
… but that still leaves us with two different sets of Syaoran/Sakura in the same world – original CCS!syaosaku and reborn!C!syaosaku. AAAAAAAAAAHH. DDDDX
Exactly. Well, they DID have chinese clothes in the flashbacks, so it’s not impossible =)
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Reading through the comments here, makes everything get simpler and simpler and this theory is just made of win. I’m not sure if this has been mentionedyet , but…
Maybe it’s that C!S&S were reincarnated into the same families the CCS versions are. However, this was done in in a world separate from, but similar to the CCS one.
I mean, every world doesn’t have to be totally different right? I’m thinking very much of the concept of alternate universes from Timeline. Each time a decision is made, a new universe is created because of the different outcomes of that decision.
For example, someone asks, “Should I eat toast?” In one universe, the person ate toast and in another the person didn’t. But whether or not a person eats toast probably won’t have a huge impact on anything. So the two universes are virtually identical.
That’s what I think happened here. It would explain why we have these inconsistencies with the theory presented here like why is Nadeshiko R!Syao’s grandma? Well, it’s because she’s the mother C!Sakura is born to in a universe very similar, but different from the CCS!Universe. C!Syaoran was also born to the Li family in this universe. Yuuko said they’d go to the same world, but not necessarily the same country.
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Omg thank you chibiyuuto for posting the links to the covers! 😮 They’re sooo pretty!!! ^__^ I love the cover with the Sakura and Syaoran back-to-back in the tube!
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I love it too! *-*
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Wouldn’t they rather be Watanuki’s parents? I like Fay-mama and Kuro-papa more
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They are, too, by extent XD
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It’s a bonus (pague 1, leve 2!)
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I’m not as CLAMP-versed.. but I did not understand this part.
Yuuko says “You will be born into the same dimension, the same world, the same time. You will find one another.”
But if the Clones are Parents|SxS then how did they born in a Chinese-like country or wherever they’ve been? They both were born in Clow right?? it’s not even a different Clow because it’s also the same time… which would be sand Clow. Or because the world’s logic is broken the Clow country also changed? Or is Yuuko referring to the Fei Wong world because the clones were born there in reality?? Am I understanding this incorrectly? Thank you Clamp for broking my brain once again…
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I think she meant, you two will be born into the random same world, not as in the same world as Clow-koku…
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… which basically means, they won’t have to give up their ‘precious things’ to get to each other. Again. They are within easy access, and WILL definately meet up without too much trouble.
Fianlly! Enough torture for this set!
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>> It’s a loop, and like any other loop, there isn’t an answer of what came first. One was born for and from the other.
IT SO FUCKING TWISTED. MY GOD!
well, I think we disagree because I just publish in my fotolog that clones can’t be the parents. but now, after reading your commments, I’m not that sure anymore. thank u very much. hahaha
by the way, if clones are the parents, why watanuki didn’t feel anything when he saw them at yuuko’ store at the very first chapter, but he felt something when he was in the store and had that dream and saw the two shaoran and the two sakura back in holic 177??? and what about parents magic circles, exactly as kinomoto and li’s magic circles??
just some doubts
kisses
PQ
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by the way, if clones are the parents, why watanuki didn’t feel anything when he saw them at yuuko’ store at the very first chapter, but he felt something when he was in the store and had that dream and saw the two shaoran and the two sakura back in holic 177
Because the clones themselves as they show up in the first chapter aren’t his parents, the reincarnations of the clones are his parents. The ones he saw in the dream and caused his ‘body memories’ to react were indeed his parents. That one’s easy to explain.
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I haven’t looked at the chapter yet (waits for scanlation….)
But I want to ask you about another thing, when I downloaded the deluxe cover, many people commented saying “Yay CCS Sakura and Syaoran”…That made me very confused since I first thought it was them as well who were the parents and then when Mom-Sakura had a dream where small CCS-Sakura came and gave her the star-staff I thought that the CCS versions weren’t the parents after all… Do we even know for sure which is the right option? I thought I was sure but now they made me doubt…
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your theories make a lot of sense, but that doesn’t explain why Real Syaoran has the same spells and a similar sword as Syaoran from CCS.
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The entire manga is filled with characters who share similar magic and weapons as their alternative versions. Look at all the RG Veda characters, or at Yuzuriha who still has an Inuki.
It’s not that far-fetched to believe there could be another Syaoran who has the same magic as the one from CCS.
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this have a lot of sense…
(and we know CLAMP is serious when it comes to clothes).
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But you’ve collected enough pieces, I think, for a convincing argument. ^^
If the clones are Jr.’s parents and Papa is cloned from Jr, doesn’t that mean that Jr was born only because he existed before his father… and this would be explained because the past and future are mingled together.
I still think that Himawari, despite being a perfectly ordinary human, has something to do with this. Like, she brought bad luck because the clone!Sakura had all the good luck. So maybe Himawari is the reborn Sakura clone? (Unless she was born because of all the doubles as a double to Sakura? Yuuko?) And then if Watanuki existed to fill the void in the relationships left by Jr, then maybe he’s actually (or will be) Papa!Syaoran?
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Now I get it.. the bond between C!Sakura C!Syaoran and Watanuki with “1ST of APRIL” means mommy daddy and son (L)at a multiple birthday party where watanuki makes a SUPER BIG CAKE for mummy and daddy (L).
Oh, about the theory.. I think jlarinda’s (and your) theory ROCKS, I agree with you.. C!SyaxSaku= R!Syao parents, it all makes sense, I just have a doubt about sakura’s magic powers..I understand why syaoran has clow’s powers, but not why sakura has them.. also remember this pic?—–> http://www.onemanga.com/Tsubasa_Reservoir_Chronicles/216/02/ in which syaoran is above clow’s mahoujin (would make sense if he got clow’s power like Eriol did) BUT! sakura is on Li family/CSS!Syaoran mahoujin… what about that? o.o
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WOW… That makes A LOT of sence!!!!
The only thing that I find to be Really WEIRD is the fact that RealShaoran might Somehow be is Own Father xDDD [I mean cloney is another version of himself] BUT!! hahahahaha I think CLAMP is totally capable of doing something like that xDD
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hai
Well if a kissing part in there? it well be interesting! ^^” syaoran know how to kissing lol!!
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I am in awe of CLAMP’s story writing skills.. and your skills of deduction. It all starts to make sense, I was thinking there wasn’t that long left to go of TRC either ;__;
So in summary, your theory is:
– C!SxS = parents!SxS
– They were given the star staff by CCS!Sakura? So then CCS!Syaoran has no part to play in this, right? Or what about the sword? Wasn’t that CCS!Syaoran’s??
– R!Syaoran is unaware that C!SxS are his parents, and since it’s a time loop, it makes sense that Mokona/Fai/others in c219 didn’t feel them in the other dimensions.
Thanks for posting your theory and the covers!! So pretty ^w^
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I guess i’m finally understanding Tsubasa! hahahahaha. I was just thinking what the real relationship between the clones and Watanuki. I though Watanuki was R!Syaoran’s brother so he is the son of C!Sakura and c! Syaoran ? I can’t catch that, why did he have to forget about everything ?
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If this turns out to be true, then that means they are Watanuki’s parents as well, and that he have met them…Interesting…It sure would be a big loop, but somehow I wish it would be so because 1. Less Sakuras and Syaorans >.< Seriously 3 of each is too much! 2. It would mean the clones, which we have followed the hole story are the heroes in the end after all! And not some unknown people ^^
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