This week was a very busy week at university and I’m really glad it’s over xD So the lack of updates is due to myself being busy and also due to the lack of news. This week, however, we had a bombastic Tsubasa chapter that is definitely in the Tsubasa Hall of Fame of Most Shocking and Revealing Chapters xDD
I’ll be commenting about it now, been wanting to do this all week long!
You can find the raws here.
I had seen the spoilers prior to the chapter, like I always do since… pretty much Piffle arc? Maybe a little earlier than that. But I confess I was very skeptical about them at first. First, because they hadn’t been posted by the usual person and their format looked different. And second, because it looked so much like a fan fiction to me.
Turns out that they were true. It’s my time to say:
WHAT THE FUCK!?!?
I was shocked, yeah, VERY shocked, but hey, that’s the kind of twist CLAMP does. To me this twist enters in the same category as (Chobits, CCS spoilers ahead ->) Freya falling in love with Icchan, Fujitaka being the reincarnation of half of Clow’s soul, Kaho and Eriol having an affair, and many others I can’t remember right now. I don’t know about you all but I was very “WTF?” when I found those out.
I knew CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran would have a direct involvement in Tsubasa’s story, always thought they would appear at one point, it just never occurred to me it would be this way xD There are loads of theories saying that Watanuki is their kid (which could still be true since we don’t know his true nature), but very few, if any, saying that Real!Syaoran was their kid.
An adorable kid, by the way, but making him look exactly like Syaoran was such a cheat xD I mean, he could at least have his mother’s eyes, but that would be too Harry Potter, and maybe give his identity away too easily. But man, does he look exactly like his father, not a slight difference. I wonder if he’s their only son? Or do they have a girl who looks just like Sakura as well? xD
So the adorable kid of Sakura and Syaoran goes to Yuuko’s store. It’s funny how he strongly claims to not have a wish and he’s only there because his father told him so, oh yeah, because his mother saw a dream in which somebody was waiting for him in another dimension.
It’s important, I think, to notice that the scene looks exactly like XXXHOLiC chapter 1 when Watanuki supposedly first arrives to the store. The panels, some of the speeches, the compositions, even Yuuko’s clothes are the same! Even that? Even that. Which is very worrisome since Yuuko, and I actually mean CLAMP, are fashion whores. Excuse my bad manners.
Yuuko wearing the same clothes? She never wears the same clothes twice, after she uses them she burns them XDDDDDDDD Except, of course, for that special dress she wears every time she sends someone to another dimension. My point is, there must be a meaning behind it, and it has to do with Syaoran and Watanuki’s connection.
The price Sakura paid to Yuuko intrigued me a lot. Doesn’t she need her staff anymore? Can she cast her cards without it? Or can she no longer use them at all? By the way, if Sakura and Yuuko haven’t met, I wonder how Yuuko got her payment. And it’s been there in Yuuko’s basement all along, stuck in a dusty corner, and Watanuki never found it, only the replica of the old staff.
Yuuko is keeping the treasures of all sort of characters, I do hope CLAMP use Yuuko and her store again in their future works. Wouldn’t it be amazing to see a different character using Sakura’s staff, maybe not for the same purpose as Sakura, but still using it. And one would have to read Tsubasa and Card Captor Sakura to understand the origin of that staff…
Sorry, this is Tsubasa we are talking about xD
Also, now I get why “Syaoran” was always written between quote marks, because it’s not his real name! That’s so obvious and yet I didn’t see it xD The Japaneses are now calling him “Small Dragon”, which would be something like Syoryu? That was also how Bruce Lee was known xD They are calling him “Syaoron”, actually, since that’s his name in Holitsuba, which also means “Small Dragon”. Thanks ^^
So he goes to Clow and meets Sakura, seven days prior to her seventh birthday, just like he said it was. Now, a lot of people are talking about how “Syaoran” fell in love with an alternative version of his own mother. While that could turn out to be true, there hasn’t been any kind of confession or official statement that he is in love with Clow!Sakura. We know he has a wish, that is to bring something back, that something is Sakura of “that day”, as we saw in the previous chapter.
So I wouldn’t go as far as saying that “Syaoran” and Clow!Sakura are a real couple, not yet at least. But if they turn out to be, I’ll be fine with it, it would be another unusual couple that CLAMP would bring up xD
But I don’t know, this chapter left me thinking that there is much more behind this all. Now with CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran’s involvement things get a different shape. Sakura had a dream, and I hope we’ll see that dream (maybe the first scene of Chapter 1?), she had the guts and courage to send her 7 years old son to ANOTHER FREAKING WORLD, I know, what kind of mother in her sane mind does that? That is why I think there’s much more behind this, it’s not as simple and crazy as it looks.
Speaking of that, I couldn’t help to wonder about certain things that right now look like serious plot-holes. For example, if “Syaoran” is 7 years old already, then that means CCS!Sakura was pregnant 8 years before that scene took place. Considering CCS’s time-line, is that possible? Not to mention that back in the early XXXHOLiC chapters, Yuuko said the original Clow staff belonged to a “little girl”. Little girl who has a 7 year old son?
When exactly did “Syaoran” come to the shop? Before Watanuki came to the shop? At the same time? I hope CLAMP answer these questions and I hope there are no plot-holes.
I demand a time-line in the final Character Guide, CLAMP, for the sake of our brains.
What else do I have to say? Oh yeah, Seishirou knows CCS!Syaoran? I’m so curious about how’s that possible…
I’m getting more comfortable with the idea that at first shocked me in a “eeeck, how fanfic-like” way. I trust CLAMP, and the story doesn’t end here, I think there are more things involved and I’m sure everything will make sense once it’s all over.
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The Japaneses are calling him “Small Dragon”, which would be something like Syoryu? That was also how Bruce Lee was known
“Syaoron”, the twin of Syaoran in Horitsuba ;D
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Is that how it’s written: 小龍?
I knew they called the twin Syaoron but I don’t know if that’s the meaning XD
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It’s “Little Dragon”, so if that’s the kanji you used, then that’s the writing 😀
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Ah sou ne! o.o Maybe that’s his real name, then? XD
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It’s the most likely answer, I’d say. Even if it involves taking Horitsuba seriously for a second.
I’d laugh for weeks if it turns out to be his name |D
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>Even if it involves taking Horitsuba seriously for a second
That’s the problem XDDDDDDDDD But I would say it makes sense, Small Dragon. I didn’t know, I thought they picked “Syaoron” just to grammatically look like “Syaoran” xD
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If memory doesn’t fail me, that’s right (though I guess it could be 小竜 too). Though I’ll still use “Xiao Long” because it looks much, much better than “Shaoron”, “Syaoron”, “Shaolon” or “Syaolon”.
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What’s “horitsuba”?^^
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It’s the Tsubasa/XXXHOLiC Drama CD ^^
There have been 3 released up to now.
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Regarding them as a couple- I’m surprised so many CLAMP fans are freaking out or disgusted etc. As a CLAMP fan you’d think people would be used to odd and/or morally questionable relationships and romances. Maybe ‘Syaoran’ and Sakura always seeming like the most innocent couple is what made it the biggest shock, but I dunno XD
If there was a time-line in the next character guide that would be AWESOME. I doubt they’ll be that kind though XD They seem to like having their fans confused, hahaha XD
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>I’m surprised so many CLAMP fans are freaking out or disgusted etc
Me too. It’s not like they have the same blood. We don’t know what happened during those 7 years, we only know the clone’s version of the facts, things could have been different while “Syaoran” was there.
>I doubt they’ll be that kind though XD
I doubt that too xD But it would be nice, specially if it’s hand-written by Ohkawa.
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I dunno. I mean, yeah, I’m used to strange couples, and I love the CLAMP philosophy of love above all else, but something about the Oedipus/Electra complex just… Gah. I can’t explain it. It creeps me out.
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If it makes you feel any better, we don’t know how things will end up like. I’m not that comfortable either, to tell you the truth, but I’ll wait until the manga is over before coming up with any conclusions.
Sakura told his son that someone is waiting for him, she didn’t tell WHO or WHY, it might not be Clow!Sakura, and it might not be “waiting” as if waiting to be loved.
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I agree with CLAMP needing to make a timeline for all of this. In the scanlation I read of xxxHOLiC, when Watanuki found the replica staff, Yuuko referred to CCS!Syaoran as Sakura’s “boyfriend”. So, they’re still dating, yet they have a kid who’s as old as “Syaoran”? (Oh man, I don’t even know what to call TRC!Syaoran anymore!)
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>I agree with CLAMP needing to make a timeline for all of this
It’s definitely necessary. There’s so many things happening all mixed up. We need a chronological time-line of events.
>In the scanlation I read of xxxHOLiC, when Watanuki found the replica staff, Yuuko referred to CCS!Syaoran as Sakura’s “boyfriend”.
There’s that too. I remember I read that too.
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Haven’t read this chapter yet, but I got an idea from your comments. Who ever said that the xxxHolic/Yuuko timeline that we have seen is completely linear? For all we know, they might be jumping between past and present and future, and we just think it is all continual.
(goes back to studying for finals…)
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>Who ever said that the xxxHolic/Yuuko timeline that we have seen is completely linear? For all we know, they might be jumping between past and present and future, and we just think it is all continual.
They could do that indeed, but this is definitely in the past since “Syaoran” remembers it.
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While I personally don’t think Sakura would need the staff, it wouldn’t be payment otherwise, would it?
[…] there hasn’t been any kind of confession or official statement that he is in love with Clow!Sakura.
Have you read the 190 spoilers yet? (Not an outright statement, but people’s reactions to the king’s comment on Sakura and Shaoran are… interesting.)
I’m attributing all inconsistencies to the collapse of space-time. Though it’s one hell of a contrived plot if the collapse of space-time started before Shaoran was born. And yeah, I’m most curious about how the hell Seishirou knows CCS Shaoran.
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>While I personally don’t think Sakura would need the staff, it wouldn’t be payment otherwise, would it?
I don’t think it’s that important anymore either. If Clow made that first staff, then Sakura can make one too.
>Have you read the 190 spoilers yet? (Not an outright statement, but people’s reactions to the king’s comment on Sakura and Shaoran are… interesting.)
I read them, about “Syaoran” being Sakura’s destined person? Hum… but Touya and Yukito said the same thing when the clone was around, so it’s complicated.
>I’m attributing all inconsistencies to the collapse of space-time.
How so? O.o could you explain me more about it?
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Hum… but Touya and Yukito said the same thing when the clone was around, so it’s complicated.
Depends on interpretation. To me, back then, for all intents and purposes, the clone was Shaoran.
How so? O.o could you explain me more about it?
Yuuko already pointed out a timeline inconsistency in the latest Holic chapter — Kohane’s getting her purification powers before the feathers were scattered. I have no idea of how that works, but the same principle, whatever it is, could apply to how Yuuko had already received the real staff as payment when she said it was in Sakura’s possession (the “little girl” thing might be a consequence of the collapse as well, or simply the fact that Yuuko calls pretty much everyone a “child”). And what if not only the timeline gets messed up, but people’s existences as well? A second Shaoran is born in a world that already has one, and a boy who was implied to be someone that shouldn’t exist continues to live and leave his mark in the world.
… Oh man, I’m only a few bits of sanity away from calling “time kompression” on this one. (笑)
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In regards to the possibility that time differences between worlds caused the issue with Kohane, the very fact that Yuuko and Mokona commented on it saying that it was because of the collapse means to me that there’s more to it than just time differences.
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True that. Maybe Yuuko knows the exact difference between Clow and Japan and thus, she can tell it doesn’t match xD
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But what exactly does that mean? That Kohane didn’t get her purification powers from the feather? Or the feather arriving to Japan before they were scattered?
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The latter, unless Yuuko lied about the source of Kohane’s purification powers. Actually, now that we have this possibility, I think the Holic world isn’t the only one where feathers arrived way before the scattering.
(Random: How much was that thing Ashura paid Yuuko really worth? Time travel is disruptive, even if it’s not for yourself.)
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>Actually, now that we have this possibility, I think the Holic world isn’t the only one where feathers arrived way before the scattering.
That’s what I think too, like Celes and Spirit. 300 years seems way too much.
>Random: How much was that thing Ashura paid Yuuko really worth? Time travel is disruptive, even if it’s not for yourself.
I think it’s worth a lot, it’s Yamato and Shurato, after all ^^
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Yeah, Celes particulary. (I mean, buried in a snow mountain? Inside a stone?) And Shara/Shura, too.
I actually meant the other payment (it was a bottle, longevity/immortality something if I’m not mistaken). I don’t have a problem with the worth of the swords in relation to the wish of “becoming gods for the future generations”, but dragging four people and a manjuu a couple of millennia back in time seems like too expensive a wish to me. Unless something was seriously wrong with Shara to begin with.
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Oh, but the swords were the price to change the “future”, I thought you mean that.
The bottle was only the price to bring Syaoran and the others back in time, which is still quite something.
I think it’s worth a lot since it’s the secret of Yuuko’s youth xDDDD Kidding, I mean, it must be quite a rare item.
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>To me, back then, for all intents and purposes, the clone was Shaoran.
I don’t agree with that O.o “Syaoran” lived with Sakura until time was rewound and he returned to his 7 years old appearance. Then, apparently, the people of Clow country lived those years all over again, but now with the clone instead of “Syaoran”.
>I have no idea of how that works
Me neither xD It’s so abstract…
>could apply to how Yuuko had already received the real staff as payment when she said it was in Sakura’s possession
Hum, I see… it’s a possibility.
>the “little girl” thing might be a consequence of the collapse as well, or simply the fact that Yuuko calls pretty much everyone a “child”
I would say it’s the latter xD since Yuuko is 92458 years old xDDDDD
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I don’t agree with that O.o “Syaoran” lived with Sakura until time was rewound and he returned to his 7 years old appearance. Then, apparently, the people of Clow country lived those years all over again, but now with the clone instead of “Syaoran”.
I know all that. I was speaking in metaphysical terms.
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I still don’t understand your point, but you don’t have to explain it to me if you don’t want to ^^;
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Okay, completely equating Shaoran with the clone at that time isn’t quite accurate, but I consider the kid who grew up with Sakura after the rewind to be, in effect, Shaoran in another body, whether by actually having the same soul handle two (half) hearts, or by having the loaned heart project a memory of Shaoran’s soul as a stand-in for the actual soul (which was absent).
But this is all interpretation.
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Oh, I get it now! Thanks for the explanation! In a way, you’re right, because that was half of “Syaoran”, indeed.
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But man, does he look exactly like his father, not a slight difference.
The bangs are different!1!! XD
I’d like to know what happened to the guardians and the other CCS cast concerned.
Yuuko said the original Clow staff belonged to a “little girl”.
Maybe she said that because Sakura had that staff while she was a little girl? Um..
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>The bangs are different!1!! XD
You think? XDDDDD I gotta pay more attention to that but, to me they look the same O.o Well, we haven’t seen CCS!Syaoran in Tsubasa style yet, maybe he looks different.
>Maybe she said that because Sakura had that staff while she was a little girl? Um..
Hum… it’s an alternative…
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>Maybe she said that because Sakura had that staff while she was a little girl? Um..
Hum… it’s an alternative…
But there’s no indication that Yuuko’s line referred to a past state.
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Whoosh~time isn’t really matching up. Reminds me of how Yuuko was talking about Kohane and Sakura’s feather. Yeah, when I read the chapter I was wondering why it looked so familiar to when Watanuki first went to Yuuko’s shop. Perhaps they are the same person (I mean, we had Clow reincarnate into Fujitaka and Eriol after all) or something like that xD Uwah, so confused.
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> Reminds me of how Yuuko was talking about Kohane and Sakura’s feather
But I thought this could be explained due to time differences between worlds. Just like Fye got Sakura feathers when he was still very little, or how the Spirit feather appeared 300 years earlier.
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Now, I wonder just whose dream it was in Tokyo Revelations. I mean, with 189, it could, in theory, be interpreted as either Sakura’s
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Good point ^_~
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Seishirou and CCS!Syaoran breaks my brain. Oh CLAMP, this is why we love you and hate you at the same time…
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I think you should re-word that. CLAMP breaks my brain XD
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Totally! It’s not like he’s native of Japan, no, he lived in a different world. I wonder how they met >_
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Hope things went well with your school work? XD
…Well, this was shocking. /understatement
Well, my initial reaction was pure O_O, but I think this is so incredibly awesome. 😀 Sakura and Syaoran had a baby, SQUEE!
I’d like to think, at least, that CCS!Sakura can still use the cards power after giving up her staff, since she kind of ‘created’ the magic to use the Sakura Cards, right? I’d be sad otherwise.
I second that timeline-like, a multiuniverse timeline. Holic must take place years after CCS, but when does it take place in relation to other works-like Kobato? (How old is Touya when he’s wearing the bunny suit?!)
I also vote for these flashbacks to continue, and for the entire next volume to be completely backstory. XD
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>Hope things went well with your school work? XD
It went, this week at least, thanks for your concern ^___^
>Well, my initial reaction was pure O_O, but I think this is so incredibly awesome. 😀 Sakura and Syaoran had a baby, SQUEE!
Exactly! I was awestruck at first too. But that was inevitable, for Syaoran and Sakura to have a baby. I just didn’t expect he would look just like Syaoran ^^”
>I’d like to think, at least, that CCS!Sakura can still use the cards power after giving up her staff, since she kind of ‘created’ the magic to use the Sakura Cards, right? I’d be sad otherwise.
I would say that too. More than that, I would say she can create another staff. Since Clow created his.
>I second that timeline-like, a multiuniverse timeline.
Exactly!! I wonder if we’ll ever find that out u.u I would like a multiuniverse timeline too! Not only explaining the events in Japan, but also Clow, Celes and Nihon.
>Holic must take place years after CCS, but when does it take place in relation to other works-like Kobato? (How old is Touya when he’s wearing the bunny suit?!)
I believe XXXHOLiC and Kobato. takes place at the same time, so Touya would be some 5 or 6 years older?
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This just in: This made me interested in Kobato *Is reading chapter 3*
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Kobato is nice, Kobato is great, do read it!
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but why is he still doing part time jobs? or that bunny thing is his main?
wierd u know…
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Hum, I don’t know xD Fujimoto is not studing either, as far as we know. Maybe Touya has a main job and still takes some part-time jobs, like Fujimoto.
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Yeah, i think WTF was pretty much everyone’s reaction when the spoilers came out! XDD
Well gotta wait till the end to see what’s gonna come out of it.
And yes, uni can make a person’s time fly away. ~__~
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This one took the “WTF prize”, definitely xD
>Well gotta wait till the end to see what’s gonna come out of it.
It’s wiser, trust me! It won’t seem as crazy as it does right now.
>And yes, uni can make a person’s time fly away. ~__~
It’s terrible @_@ thank god it ends this year…
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I know it’s wiser, i got my contacts as well. XD
Ah good for you, 3 years for me left.
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Because some people are considering stop reading the manga, which is sad since it’s not over yet…
Good luck for you ^__^
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Not really wise, you should follow a manga till the VERY END and then you’ll have an overall opinion about it. CLAMP has been in business for like A LOT of years so i’m sure {and hope} they can surprise us again. {PLEASANT THIS TIME PLEASE K THANKS XDD}
Good luck back at you! ^____^
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^_^ I graduated today! I sobbed like a baby during the ceremony despite my immense hatred of the uni I went to.
I think I was just crying over how I’m done with school after having spent the last 18 in school. Good luck at your commencement.
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Really? CONGRATULATIONS! I know how tough it is -___- I can’t wait to graduate, I’ll be one happy man.
>I think I was just crying over how I’m done with school after having spent the last 18 in school
That’s the point, precisely. I’m been studying non-stop for 18 years as well.
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It’s exhausting, isn’t it? The next hard part is deciding where to go next. The world is literally open to all possabilities. I’m a little frightened but I’m ready to go. At 23 I shouldn’t feel like such a baby still (at least I don’t HAVE a baby).
Early congratulations to you too! Though I’m sure you’ll mention it on your journal and I’ll say it again then. 🙂
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Thank you for your kind words and support. I’ll definitely scream it out loud once I graduate xD
Good luck for you, I’m sure you’ll find your path ^__^
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Technically it’s not incest since they don’t have the same blood.
>this is CLAMP
People are forgetting that xD CLAMP is known for coming up with all kinds of relationships. From the very usual to the very unusual.
>I’m still in my amusement phase at people’s reactions at this chapter.
It looks pretty similar to when Fye had his eye eaten by Syaoran. But I think it’ll pass, this wave of indignant fans ^^
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I just read the chapter and i feel a little dizzy.. Too much information at one time..
I shocked with “Syaoran” being CCS!Sakura, but I though something like hat was to be expectd…
[i]I second that timeline-like, a multiuniverse timeline. Holic must take place years after CCS, but when does it take place in relation to other works-like Kobato? (How old is Touya when he’s wearing the bunny suit?!)[/i]
I didn’t realize that, but it’s a good question Kobato is in the same Universe as Holic and CCS, but between CCS and Holic times?
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>I didn’t realize that, but it’s a good question Kobato is in the same Universe as Holic and CCS, but between CCS and Holic times?
It’s probably right in the middle. Touya doesn’t look much older in Kobato., for example. Then we have Hinata which also doesn’t look much older, she looks just like when she appeared in Gouhou Drug. Kazahaya and Rikou appear in XXXHOLiC too and they look normal. So I would say those stories happen all in the same universe, around the same time.
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meh .. this series is getting more and more complicated but it is cute lets hope the series itself wont end anytime soon *nods*
keep up the good work
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It’s going to end quite soon, specially after all those revelations X3
But we still have some good months before that time comes.
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when do you think? septemberish or novemberish? or 2009? XD
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I’d say end of 2008, beginning of 2009 ^^
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I’m disgusted by the idea of this Li Jr. being together with Sakura. Not because she’s his mother from a different world, but because he’s not CCS!Syaoran from another dimension, he’s a different guy and therefore doesn’t have the same soul (T-T) I don’t want Sakura with anyone else that’s not CCS!Syaoran’s counterpart, only if it was Tomoyo, maybe.
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You touched an important point there.
Every Sakura is destined to a Syaoran. But “Syaoran” here is not a Syaoran, he’s not even called Syaoran. So yeah, I wonder if he’s really her soul-mate.
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That’s pretty much how I feel.
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“There are loads of theories saying that Watanuki is their kid (which could still be true since we don’t know his true nature), but very few, if any, saying that Real!Syaoran was their kid.”
Excuse me chibiyuuto san, but since Tokyo i’m tellling that real is or Li himself of his son becuase of been a elative of Clow reed, the magic seal and the fighting style and the sword!!!
Nobody ever take me serious!!!!!!
even in he last chapter of Kobato when Touya young appears i repet the all thing to you!!!!
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Really? o.o I believed too that he was CCS!Syaoran, but I don’t remember hearing from you that he was their son, and for that I’m really sorry!
You see, I thought this idea sounded so much like I fanfic that I didn’t even believe you.
But if you say that you predicted it, well, I must give you my congratulations, it never occured to me ^__^
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i was thinking of watanuki being a living dream, mayne’s is syaoran Jr’s dream or stuff like that
that would explain why syaoran Jr (i call him like this it is more simple) payed something for him, why yuko is wearing so same stuff as in XxXHolic 1…
a “lining dream” CCS|Sakura “dreamed” about and knew that only her son could create to fight Fei Wang Lead in the time loop… or anything like that. That would explain why Yuuko trains him by helping strange client and give him feeling
but watanuki has a soul (remember XxXholic 2, Yuuko sends wtanauki to take the Mokonas cause he got a soul…)
i was thing when i start reading TRC that would only one more shonen, it has became a real Clamp manga, my brain is making me me crazy, i want to know what’s happeing (just like i want to know what is X’s Kamui’s Wish !!!!!
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I like that theory, you have a good point about Yuuko’s clothes.
I too think Watanuki can be a living dream, an imprint of someone, maybe “Syaoran”.
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Waaaalaaa! What a huge WTF! XDDDD Don’t you trust me enough for the validity of the spoilers or what? :3
But man, does he look exactly like his father, not a slight difference.
LOL!!!! That is the main problem, h ewas expected to be another Syaoran, not a son… but if he was a Clow descendant he had to be related to the CCS ones…
if “Syaoran” is 7 years old already, then that means CCS!Sakura was pregnant 8 years before that scene took place. Considering CCS’s time-line, is that possible? Not to mention that back in the early XXXHOLiC chapters, Yuuko said the original Clow staff belonged to a “little girl”. Little girl who has a 7 year old son?
LOOOOOOL! I also mentioned that, and do not forget that Syaoran junior aka Syaoron, is much older than he looks like…. he could be his own father O_o;
The timeline is a must!!!!
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>Waaaalaaa! What a huge WTF! XDDDD
It deserved it XDDD
>Don’t you trust me enough for the validity of the spoilers or what? :3
Well, it’s not like I don’t trust you. Like I said, I was very skeptical about it. I only believed it after I saw some really LQ scans. But I have to admit that when you wrote in your LJ that they were true, I started to half-believe them ^^
>h ewas expected to be another Syaoran, not a son… but if he was a Clow descendant he had to be related to the CCS ones…
When you put it like that, it looks so simple and easy, but not everybody thought of that xDDDD You’re right, yet again CLAMP made us believe in something and completely shut our eyes about other possibilities, and then made such an unexpected twist.
Which is why I think that things might not be as they look like now, we still have 4 volumes to go, after all.
>and do not forget that Syaoran junior aka Syaoron, is much older than he looks like…. he could be his own father O_o;
But I think that has to do with the time rewound thing O.o
>The timeline is a must!!!!
Made by Ohkawa herself, please (I want her handwriting in it X3)
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yet again CLAMP made us believe in something and completely shut our eyes about other possibilities, and then made such an unexpected twist.
And again, things are much easier than we imagined…. and the other alive Clow descendant must be Watanuki…. besides Syaoran junior has more genes than his parents… it was really logical he is who he is, FWR told us all the time…
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I’m also STRONGLY believing that Watanuki is another son of Sakura and Syaoran. He is the “same” as “Syaoran”, his name means the 1st of April etc etc.
I think it has to do with the 2 futures, one where Watanuki is their son, and Sakura and Syaoran are dead, and the other where “Syaoran” is their son.
It’s the same with the eggs. We have two completely different eggs when it was supposed to be only one: one magical and one not.
Even though Sakura said in the dream that Watanuki and Syaoran were very alike, in their hearts, their appearances are completely different.
I can almost see Ohkawa demanding that Mokona draws one while Nekoi draws the other, because they would completely different from each other. I think that was her intention.
Watch me repeat this speech again on my next chapter commentary XDDD
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>because they would completely different from each other
Because they would look completely different from each other
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Errr, and if those are two futures how is that Syaoran knowws about his brother, the one that replaces him in another future/reality??? How can the sonin one reality pay for the live of the other son???? you theory has holes…. I think they are the ‘same’ becasue they both are CLow descendants….
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I don’t know the details because man, is this confusing. So I’m not trying to find all the logical possibilities. We’re dealing with space and time here, and the collapse of space and time, that’s already illogical per se xD
Watanuki has the same wish as “Syaoran”, and “Syaoran”‘s wish is related to Sakura, I don’t know which one, but directly or indirectly, it could be related to his mother, CCS!Sakura.
Yuuko told Watanuki that he’s just as human as “Syaoran”, there’s just too many similarities.
She said the eggs got duplicated even though there should be only one, and that it was the same with those “two boys”.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Watanuki gave to Yuuko Sakura’s staff as an advanced payment in the very first time he came to the shop (I’m not talking about Chapter 1, I’m talking about the real first time).
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>How can the sonin one reality pay for the live of the other son????
I don’t know, but both Watanuki and Syaoran paid a price for each other.
“Syaoran” paid a price to prevent Watanuki from dying when he fell off the window.
And Watanuki paid in advance, with his memories, to send “Syaoran” and the others to Clow country.
So, they both are paying prices for each other even though they are in different reality/futures.
I don’t know, I’m not Ohkawa, don’t look at me like that xD
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That is right, they both paid for eachother…. and they have only meet in dreams….
To be ‘as human as Syaoran’ sounds bad, since he is a bit ‘odd’ human, like his father and falling for his mother XDDDD
I don’t know, but it has to be simple…. the solution is in front of our eyes but we can’t see it…. I’m sure Yuuko has given enough clues…. Watanuki is the boy that shouldn’t have to exist… maybe he is the son of Sakura and FWR???? *gets shot* XDDD He is human and he _exists_ but shouldn’t, why? what is different? If both guys were the sme person in alternate realitites only one could survive… one of them is a dream, one reality is a dream, the dream has to stop, one ‘reality’ is not real, is a dream, made of the wishes of FWR? his plan is to change the ‘real’ reality and that might explain why the Clow king is another one in ‘this’ reality… Becasue Syaoran rewinded his time, but what about Sakura??? She is seven like him when they meet, and the Sakura we know from the beggining grew with the other Syaoran… (that might also be because we don’t konw for sure when she was copied) Sakura should have to be on her twenties because she has Syaora njr age… but she is a 16 years old gilr… ok, I stop here…. I got a headache XDDD
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>To be ‘as human as Syaoran’ sounds bad, since he is a bit ‘odd’ human, like his father and falling for his mother XDDDD
Exactly!! And bad for “Syaoran” too XDD I’m not sure Watanuki is 100% human either. Yuuko said he’s been living two kinds of dreams, and whichever he wishes for the most will come true.
>maybe he is the son of Sakura and FWR???? *gets shot* XDDD
LOL!
I know I know, it has to be something simple, it will be and we’re going to be like “how stupid of me to not figure that out earlier”.
I don’t know, I have a very vague idea of the plot, and I don’t even know if I’m right, and these time-space issues are complicated.
Whether they are in two different futures or realities, I do believe Watanuki is Sakura and Syaoran’s son.
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Falling in love with an alternate version of his mother? When you put it like that it sounds kinda icky… although I’m wondering what happened to Sakura’s magic then, and that reminded me of something, is seeing the future and dream-seering the same thing? Sakura did do the dream-seer thing in CCS, but it seemed to me (from the way Eriol and Tomoyo put it) that she would never try to actually see the future.
And I hope that Yuuko’s shop appears elsewhere as well! I actually think she is the one who will grant Kobato’s wish, sounds about right to me anyway.
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>is seeing the future and dream-seering the same thing?
In CLAMP world, yes it is. Most of their characters who has the ability of seeing the future, if not all of them, see them through dreams.
I’m pretty sure Sakura had “yumemi” powers back in CCS already. The way she kept dreaming about Tokyo Tower and later the Final Judgment happened in Tokyo Tower.
>I actually think she is the one who will grant Kobato’s wish, sounds about right to me anyway.
But that would be rather easy for her, wouldn’t it? XD Maybe Yuuko told her to collect the wounded hearts, LOL
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I heard about the Oedipus comparition, but in that case, mother and son were really mother and son. Tsubasa’s case is different.
>I don’t remember what the reaction was
Oh people were really shocked, just that xD
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Nice long comment there ChibiYuuto-kun, it’s nice to read you as you. ^^
> Yuuko wearing the same clothes? She never wears the same clothes twice, after she uses them she burns them XDDDDDDDD
LOL xD That was so random, I have a feeling you were on a roll~ But it does seem very Yuuko-like. xD
> But I don’t know, this chapter left me thinking that there is much more behind this all.
HAH. There’s always something more behind it. ALWAYS. There’ll be more and more and by the time we encounter the last bit of it, we’ll realise that we’ve arrived at the starting point. CLAMP does that to you.
> I demand a time-line in the final Character Guide, CLAMP, for the sake of our brains.
YES, a timeline. That’d be good. And while you’re at it CLAMP, you need to make sure to confirm CCS’s and HOLiC’s timeline as well.
> I’m getting more comfortable with the idea that at first shocked me in a “eeeck, how fanfic-like” way.
LOL This was how I felt when I read Harry Potter 6, I was so mad at it, after waiting so long for JKRowling to write it. I was like “She’s effing joking right?” Sigh.
Thanks muchly dear!
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Thank you ruz-san! Such a pleasure to read your comment as well ^^
>That was so random, I have a feeling you were on a roll~
I was totally in a roll xDDDDD
>HAH. There’s always something more behind it. ALWAYS. There’ll be more and more and by the time we encounter the last bit of it, we’ll realise that we’ve arrived at the starting point. CLAMP does that to you.
Hahaha you’re right! Suddenly catching feathers seem SO unimportant. I felt, after this chapter, that this is a big boys fight. It envolves CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran, Yuuko, Clow and Fei Wang. The others are just the pawns xDDD
>And while you’re at it CLAMP, you need to make sure to confirm CCS’s and HOLiC’s timeline as well.
Yes indeed. I’d like to know how many years of difference between one story and another.
>This was how I felt when I read Harry Potter 6
I was like that too. The difference here is that I never really “accepted” JK’s fanfic XDDDDD While with CLAMP I think it actually makes a lot a sense.
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Thanks for the scans!!! and for your review!! i luv em!
I had this theory before…and I kinda jumped out of my chair when it turned out to be true, because when I had it I thought it made sense and at the same time I had this huge list of things that would make it a weak theory, all the plotholes and stuff…and the little fact that he couldn’t possible be a replica of his father… XD and yet he is. Actually I’m quite surprised at everyone’s reaction. I am also questioning “syaoran” and clow!sakura’s love, I mean, he really has never made a clear confession, but oh well…even if it was love, and it just seems like if it were incest, it isn’t, she doesn’t have the same blood as his mother and I’m sure they’re different. But I want more answers, I’m also sure Sakura had such a powerful dream to send her little son away, and I’m just so curious as to know how the heck does seishiro know CCS!Syaoran…XD I want flashbacks!! Thank u so much again!
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that was me xD!
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Oh, it was you! Thanks mina_akira-san XD
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You’re welcome, thanks for reading my reviews and leaving your comment ^__^
So you thought something similar would happen? That’s so wise of you, congratulations!!
I don’t think it’s incest either, they don’t have the same blood, after all. But I do wonder where is the real Syaoran of Clow (because “Syaoran” is not his real name).
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‘after she uses them she burns them’
ROFLOL XDD, yeah she must be rich or something XD
I was shoked too when i wasreading the chapter, i’m really curious about how does css sakura and css syaoran look like i really don’t get they have a son and then the same stuff in yuuko’s store when Watanuki .. and.. and… i really need the next chapter *0*
Thank you chibiyuuto
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I hope we’ll get to see grown-up Sakura and Syaoran from CCS. That would be so awesome.
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Wow… That was really… Um, shocking?? Compare to this, those crack before are so tiny… Seems that CLAMP really has a knack for unusual pairing…
First we have the gays… The most important ingredients in their plot~
Kurogane
Fay
Fuuma
Kamui
Subaru
Seishirou
Touya
Yukito
& etc…
Then we have some les:
Tomoyo
Amaterasu
Souma
Tomoyo’s mum (forgot her name)
Next, Sister complex
Touya
And now I can’t help wondering are they trying to give us MOTHER-COMPLEX??
This means ‘Syaoran’ is stealing ‘his another-dimension’s-father’s’ wife, his own mother~~~~ Where’s the Syaoran in Clow country?? Where’s the dimensional clone that’s hitsuzen in every world? And IF they (‘Syaoran’& Sakura) got married, what will their children look like?? Will it be a ‘he’ who looks like his dad?? WIll this like-father-like-son thingy cotinue forever?? (if so, we’ll have dozens of ‘Syaoran’…
Maybe all of them are destinated with another ‘Sakura’ in another dimension~~ XDD) And yeah, since ‘Syaoran’ is the son of Sakura (the dimensional clone of Clow Sakura) and Syaoran, we can conclude that he IS blood related to his parents, no doubt. If he ends up with Clow Sakura, is that ok?? (what i mean is incest~~ XDD) Though I doubt that would happpen… It’s ANOTHER world we’re talking… XDD
And THANKS A LOT for everything~~
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lol
yep the gays are the most important part!! ^^ oh! I think you forgot seishirou and his mother relationship!
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THAT was incest. Seishirou and his mother.
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>Where’s the Syaoran in Clow country??
I’ve been wondering that too. “Syaoran”, the son of Syaoran and Sakura, isn’t really a Syaoran. So he is not destined by Sakura, right?
>And IF they (‘Syaoran’& Sakura) got married, what will their children look like?? Will it be a ‘he’ who looks like his dad?? WIll this like-father-like-son thingy cotinue forever?? (if so, we’ll have dozens of ‘Syaoran’
HAHAHAHA I’ve been wondering the exact same thing! XD In fact, I was going to write that in my post but I thought it was already too long.
You’re right, if it’s like that, the son of Syaoran and Sakura always looking like Syaoran and he then falls in love with a Sakura, then it’s a never-ending cycle!! @_@
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Oh.. Forgot Seishirou… My brain feels like glue becoz of the aftershock of this chappy and my mid term exams…XDD
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The thought of Syaoran falling in love with an alternate version of his mother is too incestuous for my taste. I just sounds WRONG!
Still, this has to be the most “WTF” filled storyline by CLAMP that I’ve ever read.
That line that Syaoran uses telling Yuuko that if he had any wish, he would make it come true on his own is an EXACT copy of what Shuuichirou tells Kohaku in the first volume of the WISH manga, so even though WISH is one of my favorites, the line made me frown a bit, because I associated it with the WISH manga and the Shuuichirou character.
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>The thought of Syaoran falling in love with an alternate version of his mother is too incestuous for my taste. I just sounds WRONG!
I wouldn’t say it’s incestuous because it’s not the same blood, technically, but it’s still quite disturbing. However, I don’t know if that’s what Sakura meant by having someone “waiting” for him, maybe not it wasn’t in that sense. We don’t know the full content of that dream, what she saw, meeting Clow!Sakura must be important but maybe that’s only part of the “plan”.
>That line that Syaoran uses telling Yuuko that if he had any wish, he would make it come true on his own is an EXACT copy of what Shuuichirou tells Kohaku in the first volume of the WISH manga, so even though WISH is one of my favorites, the line made me frown a bit, because I associated it with the WISH manga and the Shuuichirou character.
I didn’t remember that, but now that you mentioned it I do. But why did you frown? You don’t like Wish? I think Shuuichirou and Syaoran are similar in that aspect. Both are very determined, self-secure and a bit stubborn xD
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I smell Retcon.
You know, I started to get annoyed at the series when they started playing fast and loose with genetics. (We were all waiting for Subaru and Hokuto and got Subaru and Kamui…. which made no sense.)
Everyone was squicking out at the fact that Fai made a copy of his mother and kept her around in a skimpy dress in his lap. Now we have this. Yeah…
I’m glad I stopped reading this series.
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Oh, sorry, that was me posting. I didn’t notice I was logged out.
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Oh that was you! XD
I suggest you give Tsubasa another chance once it’s over =)
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>I smell Retcon.
You think? Now, more than ever, I feel like all this has been planned long before, even this twist. In fact I get this feeling by each chapter. Wait and everything will make sense in the end ^^
>We were all waiting for Subaru and Hokuto and got Subaru and Kamui…. which made no sense.
That’s true, I thought Hokuto and Subaru were supposed to be twins no matter which dimension, but it doesn’t seem to be the case.
>I’m glad I stopped reading this series.
Awww, it’s such a pity because I like it very much. But you have the right not to like it ^^
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Oh clamp make my brain hurt thinking about this too much. I just want to know the whole story right now ><
Thank this gives me a lot to think about, runs to read the chapter.
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My brain is already all twisted trying to understand the plot xD
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This is so crazy ):
Maybe Sakura, Syaoran and Watanuki are triplets…
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>What if there’s more than 1 Yuuko?
I’ve always wanted to know if there are more Yuukos and Clows.
But the Yuuko we saw in this chapter is the same Yuuko we know of, that’s for sure.
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I bet Yuuko got the staff from her friends at the “Anything Goes” store. Because we know that Kakei, Saiga, and Yuuko meet regularly to play mah-jong and drink sake as they talk about ways to tease their part-timers
With the time dilation issue Yuuko and Larg discuss when she took payment from Kohane, do you think it’s possible that Watanuki met Yuuko (the second time) on the very day that Syaoran Jr. came to Yuuko’s shop?
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>I bet Yuuko got the staff from her friends at the “Anything Goes” store.
Really? I think she got it from Sakura herself, I just wonder how since they never met.
>Because we know that Kakei, Saiga, and Yuuko meet regularly to play mah-jong and drink sake as they talk about ways to tease their part-timers
HAHAHA DEFINITELY!
>do you think it’s possible that Watanuki met Yuuko (the second time) on the very day that Syaoran Jr. came to Yuuko’s shop?
I think so, yes, if not at the same time o.o
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>Really? I think she got it from Sakura herself, I just wonder how since they never met.
Well, what I was thinking was that she sent it as payment to Yuuko via Kakei and the Green Drugstore guys, which is why they haven’t met. Then again, there are always weird disembodied portals, Kero and Yue, or the Clow Cards.
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Through Kakei, I see what you mean now xD
>Then again, there are always weird disembodied portals, Kero and Yue, or the Clow Cards.
Indeed.
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about sakura’s staff
the one watanuki found was the bird version of the staff…the one yuuko received was the star version-the new one…so yes da bird one was fake, the star was real…but yah, how did yuuko get d staff if sakura n her never met? maybe through mokona? (jk, they werent there yet)
just figured that out…im such a noob *sweat*
*sigh* another twist here…oh well the storys interesting anyways…
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Maybe she sent it in the post? Tomoeda’s not that far from Tokyo either, she could have dropped in while little Syaoron was at school. I mean, in CCS they always seemed to find time to randomly end up at Tokyo Tower. It can’t be that far away.
~Lu.
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Is Tomoeda actually a real Japanese city?
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Yeah, it can’t be through Mokona…
I wonder if they met in a dream? But I don’t think it’s possible to transfer objects through dreams so I don’t really know.
Maybe she sent someone instead of her.
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..but you CAN transfer objects through dreams! Watanuki got Haruka’s arrow and left his glasses behind remember?
By the way, congrats for getting through uni, thank you for the spoilers and thoughts (EVERYTIME!) and hiya, because I don’t think I’ve ever commented on your lj!
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You’re right! And Watanuki still hasn’t recovered his glasses! What a small detail that I totally forgot! Thanks for reminding me about it!!
Thanks for your compliments and your comment! Nice to meet you ^__^
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Thanks, and (though I’ve unofficially been stalking your lj for ages) nice to meet you too! XD
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oh right! watanuki has lost his glasses!
hmmm…but wouldnt yuuko and sakura meet in the dream then?
this is very confusing….
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maybe maru and moro were sent to get the staff…?
hmmmm…
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Maru and Moro can’t leave the store because they have no soul.
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That’s true – and they’ve been asleep for ages!
But it does beg the question what they actually do… We know they support the shop, blah, blah, blah, but this is one more of those things Clamp need to define! xD
I think Sakura might have used a spirit (i.e. when Watanuki used the Dream Merchant to deliver the ballon) or one of the cards (they can move about – the mirror card? illusion?) or even one of her guardians… if her magic has grown so much that she doesn’t need the original staff, any of the above are plausible!
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hmmm…that might be possible, but we cant really guarantee it…
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I WAS SHOCKED, TOO!! Real Syaoran’s not using real name at all?? I didn’t think that Tsubasa will have direct connection with CCS!!!
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Oh I always thought that CCS would have a direct connection, but never thought we would see Sakura and Syaoran’s son!
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well Yuuko’s shoppe doesn’t exist in actual ‘time’ and ‘space’ right? ‘little girl’ could also be so many things to an ageless wonder like Yuuko. plus its not outside possibility that Sakura, shortly after her adventures in CCS, had a dream where she saw that her staff had to be given to Yuuko, or sent to her or given to a minion of hers whatever since they haven’t met, and thus she gave it. she would still be then a ‘little girl’ but not understanding why she gave up her wand until much later in life when she has another dream featuring “syaoran”‘s person.
CLAMP confuses me.
and I want to know more about the Vampy Twins and Seishirou (give them their own mini-series! come on come on! please? pretty please?).
um wait Seishirou met CCS!Syaoran? I thought he met the clone…or wait. I’m confused. Does someone have a timeline for this? a chart? anything?
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>well Yuuko’s shoppe doesn’t exist in actual ‘time’ and ‘space’ right?
You have a point there, a very important one. Maybe that’s how the staff found its way to it.
>’little girl’ could also be so many things to an ageless wonder like Yuuko.
True that, Yuuko is a billion years old xD I was just kidding when I said that (Little girl who has a 7 years old son). Even a 20-something years old Sakura would be a “child” in Yuuko’s eyes.
>plus its not outside possibility that Sakura, shortly after her adventures in CCS, had a dream where she saw that her staff had to be given to Yuuko, or sent to her or given to a minion of hers whatever since they haven’t met, and thus she gave it. she would still be then a ‘little girl’ but not understanding why she gave up her wand until much later in life when she has another dream featuring “syaoran”‘s person.
Good guess. I think it’s possible that she paid the price with great advance.
>and I want to know more about the Vampy Twins and Seishirou
Don’t worry, they’ll appear again real soon X3
>um wait Seishirou met CCS!Syaoran?
Yes he did! In Nihon when he met “Syaoran” he said he was like his father. Therefore, he knew CCS!Syaoran at one point =)
>Does someone have a timeline for this? a chart? anything?
I never saw a time-line or a chart yet. I think no one adventured themselves into making one xDDDD
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ah! see I completely forgot about that statement (at the time I thought he meant Fujitaka).
you know it must be weird for “Syaoran”, since he knew King Touya and Yukito as two entirely different people (his family in fact). Do you think it was hard having Touya act like that towards him? I would think Touya would make a great Uncle (even if his nephew looked like ‘the little brat’, I bet he enjoyed corrupting “Syaoran”!).
I wanna make a chart or something now, but my frustration would beat out my diligence I think…amaybe when things are all finished.
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>you know it must be weird for “Syaoran”, since he knew King Touya and Yukito as two entirely different people (his family in fact).
You’re right xD I wonder if his parents told him anything about alternative versions of the same person.
>Do you think it was hard having Touya act like that towards him? I would think Touya would make a great Uncle
I think Touya will never change and even if things get a bit calmer among them, he and Syaoran will always exchange frowned looks xD
>amaybe when things are all finished.
I think that’s wiser @_@ But don’t drop the idea, and if you ever make me, please let me know!
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Doesn’t she need her staff anymore? Can she cast her cards without it?
Maybe someone has already said this, but I think it’s possible she might not need it anymore. I remember that one of the final images released during the CCS run was of Sakura flying with wings on her back (holding a bouquet of flowers and smiling at a bunch of words). In the art book, CLAMP explains that the significance of this image was to show that Sakura no longer needs the staff (to fly). I’m pretty sure Sakura is beyond the staff, now.
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But if she didn’t need the staff anymore, then why would Yuuko want it? It wouldn’t be of importance to Sakura, other then for old time’s sake. =P
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True; it probably still has value (…didn’t Fye give up his staff, too?). But I’m hoping she doesn’t still need to it cast *any* kind of magic. That’d be sad, that she couldn’t do a thing without it. =_=;
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It’s still quite an unique item, a valuable one. I think it’s like Fye’s case, making magic should be easier with it but not impossible without it.
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>I remember that one of the final images released during the CCS run was of Sakura flying with wings on her back (holding a bouquet of flowers and smiling at a bunch of words). In the art book, CLAMP explains that the significance of this image was to show that Sakura no longer needs the staff (to fly). I’m pretty sure Sakura is beyond the staff, now.
Indeed. I think you’re talking about CLAMP No Kiseki. They also said that Sakura reached a level with her magic that she could live forever if she want to.
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Being a major CCS fan, I protest this majorly. Unless CLAMP digs themself out of this GIANT GAPING HOLE they’ve dug, i’m denouncing Tsubasa as CCS canon.
Why the heck would Sakura and Syaoran send their son to another world, to get practically tortured for most for half of his life until this point? And would Sakura really give up the Clow Cards and Guardians for that purpose?
I always thought CLAMP went a little crazy with the random “odd” relationships, but this takes the cake. I still like “Syaoran” but i’ve really lost all hope in this series. Now it feels like CLAMP is pulling plotlines out of thin air more then ever. I’ve read horrible fanfics that made more sence then this.
I’d much rather believe Kurogane is Kero-chan then believe Sakura and Syaoran would do something this horrible to their son and watch happily in the corner as it happens.
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Why the heck would Sakura and Syaoran send their son to another world, to get practically tortured for most for half of his life
Well, let’s not forget that Syaoran was sent off to Japan at 10 to go collect Clow cards. It seems like a Li tradition to send the young ones to do crazy arduous tasks that they really shouldn’t be doing. =_=; (And the Li family *knew* how powerful/dangerous the Clow cards could be!)
However, I do agree with you. I’m not taking this as part of CCS canon and rather, as Crazy AU Fic. Much better to leave the original CCS preserved intact. ^_^
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>It seems like a Li tradition to send the young ones to do crazy arduous tasks that they really shouldn’t be doing. =_=;
LOL good point. “Go son!”
It was his father who sent “Syaoran” to Yuuko’s store, by the way, maybe Sakura didn’t even agree in the first place (we don’t know all the details).
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>Why the heck would Sakura and Syaoran send their son to another world, to get practically tortured for most for half of his life until this point?
That’s the point, isn’t it? We don’t know the gravity of the dream Sakura saw. Maybe they had it choice, it all depends on what dream she saw.
>I’ve read horrible fanfics that made more sence then this.
LOL, you know, I believe you. But I would keep reading if I were you. It sounds ilogical and confusing right now, but everything will make sense once everything is over, trust me =)
You might not like the ending, but I’m sure it’ll make sense.
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> We don’t know the gravity of the dream Sakura saw. Maybe they had it choice, it all depends on what dream she saw.
True. If only they would explain the dream a little more.. I might accept an explination is it’s a matter of life and death. xD
>You might not like the ending, but I’m sure it’ll make sense.
I can only hope the ends will justify the means.. xD
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>Seishirou knows CCS!Syaoran? I’m so curious about how’s that possible…
Well people who cross dimensions do seem to know about other powerful people. Yuuko made a reference to Subaru and his sister so it’s rather possible that he stumbled upon them. Shaoran did go back home at the end of CCS and returned when they were going to be in high school.
What gets me about the time line, is that using Kobato and referencing that Legal Drug appears in it’s background, as does Touya doing a part Time job…and Watanuki goes into the Green Drugstore…these are all around the same time period. PERHAPS Sakura sent her son to Yuuko’s shop at a particular point in time. We only saw him walk up, but Sakura does have the Time and the Return Cards. And Clow didn’t use a staff (at least not in the anime) so that means she might have that ability to now. As she’d get older her powers would get stronger..so that’s my take on that matter.
Also, (glad you noticed the Watanuki entrance and Shaoran entrance to the shop being the same) i was thinking, Yuuko looks amused by Shaoran, and somber by Watanuki’s entrance.
If Watanuki keeps being told to disappear, maybe it’s because they aren’t fixing things fast enough, to fix whatever Sakura dreamed off. If Watanuki is really her son as well he’d disappear if his parent’s never got around to having him. (Think Back to the Future If you’ve seen that move)
I’m all for Watanuki being Shaoran’s brother, because he’s also an important person to Shaoran and they are alike according to the Sakura that was in the dream world.
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>Well people who cross dimensions do seem to know about other powerful people.
Yes, my point was, I wonder how that meeting took place, what kind of things they talked about, where did they meet etc.
So you say that “Syaoran” actually came from the future? It quite a possibility, but Time and Return are anime-only cards, they don’t appear in the manga, so technically, Sakura doesn’t have them.
>i was thinking, Yuuko looks amused by Shaoran, and somber by Watanuki’s entrance.
I noticed that too. But I don’t think she looks “amused”. I think she was expecting his arrival, just like Watanuki. But for Syaoran, she looks very hopeful and she has such motherly eyes. While for Watanuki, she looks quite full of herself xDDDD
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>Time and Return are anime-only cards, they don’t appear in the manga, so technically, Sakura doesn’t have them.
True…i keep forgetting that…but she still might have the ability to manipulate time…i expect she only got stronger as she got older.
>I noticed that too. But I don’t think she looks “amused”. I think she was expecting his arrival, just like Watanuki. But for Syaoran, she looks very hopeful and she has such motherly eyes. While for Watanuki, she looks quite full of herself xDDDD
Yes…true…Yuuko is an odd one..but also she might have been setting herself for Watanuki to be with him more…she had to teach him a lesson and she can’t be kind and sweet from the get go or he’d have never learned. She would have been the safe spot to run to when things got bad.
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XD maybe she looked amused when watanuki came in because he already came in the store before right? It’s just that he doesnt remember any of it since thats what the price was.
For syaoran, i think yuuko just expected him-thats all.
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heh, since “syaoran” is the son of CCS!syaoran and CCS!sakura , my first reaction was : wtf! so who the heck is watanuki?? and how come sakura can be the mother of a 7 years old kid ( it would mean she was pregnant when she was 15 or something like that lol )
i guess the timeline is kinda strenched in XXX Holic as well as in tsubasa… but still something bugs me
why would watanuki help syaoran and co by giving up his memories if he’s not aware of all the mess that would happen ( and if he’s not directly blood related to him, i mean how can you be ” closer than anybody else” if not? )-_-? i would think that watanuki is the brother of syaoran, and , worried about his brother he would give some price to help him in some crutial moments.. well but that doesn ‘t match because how can he be CCS!S&S’son..( time line would be too fucked up if so )
i don’t know how this will turn out but i guess watanuki true identity revelation will be far more shocking =)) and then we could all be WTF! ( like fei wong being in fact future self of watanuki who went to the dark side trying to revive himawari or kohane HAHAHAHAHAH! or something messed up like this =D )
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>it would mean she was pregnant when she was 15 or something like that lol
That’s right! Maybe she followed the steps of her mother? XD I hope CLAMP clears that for us.
> like fei wong being in fact future self of watanuki who went to the dark side trying to revive himawari or kohane HAHAHAHAHAH! or something messed up like this =D
HAHAHAHA!!!
But I agree that Watanuki’s revelation is going to be just as shocking.
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> Maybe she followed the steps of her mother?
Well, Sakura didn’t marry her teacher.. but.. xD
When did Nadishiko have Touya? 15? 16? She couldn’t have been that old.
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Hi Chibi Yuuto!
>>Syoryu = “Syaoron” = Small Dragon
Wow! That’s so cool to know that! Thanks!
About the theories that “Shaoran” and Kimihiro are brothers, let’s remember what the diviner told Kimihiro in xxxHolic vol 2: “Rest assured, your parents rest at peace. They died during a severe road accident to protect Kimihiro. Both are at peace. They are happy Kimihiro grew up to be such an excellent person.”
Hum… so if CCS Sakura and Shaoran are his parents, they would be dead.
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Yes, there’s that too, very intriguing.
I don’t think the old lady was lying about his parents, but we never know…
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I think there are two or more futures here, happening simultaneously
We have Watanuki and ‘Syaoron’ appearing at Yuuko’s shop and she wears the same dress and CLAMP draws the same panels. Two divergent timelines maybe?
Spoiler 190 seems to suggest that there are two Clow Countries now…or that one is a construct. I prefer the idea that there are two timelines involved here too.
I have a hazy suspicion something happened in the past before all this occurred and it leads to a) Syaoron or b) Watanuki…I suspect Watanuki is the alternate future here, why Yuuko and Syaoron are insisting he doesn’t disappear.
gah..messing with Time is always mindbreaking
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maybe CLAMP are playing with the idea of what would happen if CCSSakura had lost ?
Syaoron: CCS Canon ending. Sakura claims the Clow Cards and wins against Eriol
Watanuki: Eriol wins and has a kid with Kaho who inherits his power.
What’s happening now is Fei Wang’s interference has caused disruption between both futures. Yuuko suggested in Holic when she got the egg, how it split in two. One magical and one not.
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Oh I like that! After all, Yuuko keeps talking about the “two futures”!
Maybe Watanuki is also the son of Sakura and Syaoran, but in an alternative future where they would be dead (remember Watanuki’s parents died).
I think your theory is very near the real answer.
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Hello! Here’s what I think:
1. Maybe TRC!Syaoran is really Clow!Syaoran but transported in CSS world for some reason then CSS!Sakura and CSS!Syaoran found him and adopted him.
2. CSS!Syaoran’s soul is in his son’s body (Shaoron?) o.O so it’s really Shaoran who was with TRC!Sakura.
Argh. my head hurls T.T
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WTF!???
Oh, what the hell can I say?? Except that I love your comments. There are very funny and complete.
This are my comments to you:
I totally agree with u when you say this was one of the most shocking and revealing chapters of Tsubasa. But I saw this twist coming. I also expected Sakura and Shaoran fron CCS to appear somehow in Tsubasa, but no in this way. Even thought I expected this twist coming, I(nor anyone) could have ever seen THIS coming. But after seeing Chobits, CCS and a lot more of their stories, it shouldn’t be a surprice for us such a shock.
Hell yeah, “Shaoran” looks exactly as CCS Shaoran. But I guess that was because CLAMP needed to make us think that there was no relation between them. So, if “Shaoran” had had his mother’s eyes, it would have been to obvious.
In my fotolog I upload a collage about both moments(Shaoran and Watanuki entering to the store) It’s exactly the same, even how Yuuko is sitting and how she looks at him with Maru and Moro by her side.
About how Sakura paid the price to Yuuko without even met her is also a douth that everybody has, but I think we may come to know about this as well(with time). I fear for Sakura Cards destiny…
In chapter 144, page 12, there is a living proof that Shaoran is not the real name of R.Shaoran. When Sakura, in Infinity, tells him “Mokona told me your name is also Shaoran”, he answer “No, that’s… I mean, yeah” It think he was about to say that that’s his father’s name. If his real name is Shaoron, I’m gonna shout. For me, that’s a horrible name… not original at all(but small dragon sounds great!)
I also have a theory, and it is that Shaoran may not be in love with Sakura hime. I mean, he never said he love her. He always said he wants to protect her, to get her back. But what if he wants to do that because she looks like his mother? He doesn’t necessary needs to be in love with her. He may just want to protect her because is his mother somehow. That would means that Clon Shaoran has a chance to stay with Sakura hime??
I don’t want to believe Watanuki and Shaoran are brothers. Remember that Watanuki’s parents are death. I don’t want to CCS Sakura and Shaoran to be death!!
The reasons why Shaoran went all alone by himself to Yuuko’s store and why Sakura and Shaoran father let him do that must come out to the light! If not, CLAMP will make them look to cruel!!
Remember that Nadeshiko got pregnant at the age of 17. Maybe it happend the same to Sakura-chan…
The time in Holic and Tsubasa is mix up. The time Shaoran came for the first time to the store can be any time. Seriously, I don’t get it!
Seishirou knows CCS Shaoran?? From where?? Another question that must be answer…
It would be great another character guide. They are great!
Spoilers of chapter 190 came out at su-chan livejournal. And trust me, the shock don’t end up here…
Sorry for the will.
If you reach here reading, thank u very much.
See ya
Marilyn
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Re: WTF!???
Thanks for reading my review and enjoying them, thank you also for your comment ^__^
I compared both scenes too, they really were based on each other!
>In chapter 144, page 12, there is a living proof that Shaoran is not the real name of R.Shaoran.
Ohhh you’re right! I didn’t remember of that scene! You’re right, he does say it, thanks!! ^^
>I also have a theory, and it is that Shaoran may not be in love with Sakura hime. I mean, he never said he love her. He always said he wants to protect her, to get her back. But what if he wants to do that because she looks like his mother? He doesn’t necessary needs to be in love with her. He may just want to protect her because is his mother somehow. That would means that Clon Shaoran has a chance to stay with Sakura hime??
I agree, he never said he loved her…
>Remember that Nadeshiko got pregnant at the age of 17. Maybe it happend the same to Sakura-chan…
Even earlier than that, she got pregnant at the age of 16 ^_~
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I love your comments!
I don’t read spoilers but I was accidentally spoiled in this chapt… I guess my shock would be much greater if I wasn’t XD
I would have never noticed that Yuuko’s clothes are the same she was using in holic 1… Definitely there is something going on here.
If the explanation of everything would be “the time-space collapse” I’d be very angry… But like you, I trust CLAMP. Let’s wait and see XD
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Thanks Shinigami-san! ^__^
>I guess my shock would be much greater if I wasn’t XD
I guess it would be, indeed xD That’s the problem with reading spoilers. I will definitely stop reading spoilers in the last volume or two.
>I would have never noticed that Yuuko’s clothes are the same she was using in holic 1… Definitely there is something going on here.
Oh really? Happy to make you realize that, then! ^^ Definitely there must be a purpose.
>If the explanation of everything would be “the time-space collapse” I’d be very angry…
Specially since that’s a very abstract explanation xD
I trust CLAMP, yeah, I think the ending will let us all jaw-dropped =)
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I guess I don:t see `Shaoran`:s age as a problem. Damn this Japanese keyboard. Continuing, I don:t see any reason to think that Sakura was a teenage mother or anything like that; there:s no reason there couldn:t be a reasonable gap between the end of CCS and the scene in 189. Although her getting married at 16 would be following in the family tradition. 🙂 But since spacetime is collapsing, I tend to assume that Shaoran and Sakura were adults when they had their kid(s?).
I hope Sakura can still use the cards, and hang out with Yue and Keroberos! Since so much of CCS was about her becoming friends with all of them. But I suppose this answers one of the questions I was left with at the end of that series, namely Clow:s larger purpose behind creating the cards in the first place. I also wonder if there:s any way she could get the staff back.
What are the odds that Watanuki and `Shaoran` are siblings? I had the crack-tastic thought the other day that Watanuki could be Yuuko and Clow:s child, but I doubt that a lot.
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This is my first time commenting on LiveJournal so if I do this incorrectly then I apologise.
The fact that it’s CCS!Shaoran kind of makes sense to me. I always read that he felt more protective towards TRC!Sakura rather than in love. I think this is probably the reason all of Sakura’s feelings for him were taken away. Afterall, to be left in the end with a romantic interest for your other dimensional son?
I don’t know. In my mind it makes sense that he is otherwise it would have been cruel to just take memories of the people they were destined to be with.
I think Son!Shaoran will probably go back to CCS world in the end. If Sakura and Shaoran really are soulmates then it wouldn’t make sense to put her with the son of herself in the CCS dimension. Either there’s another Shaoran in Clow who hasn’t yet met Sakura or the clone will come back.
Whatever happens it’s bound to end well and we’ll all kick ourselves for not figuring it out earlier. This is CLAMP afterall and they haven’t gone wrong yet.
That probably doesn’t make any sense. I’m really bad at explaining myself. Sorry, just thought I’d give my theory and thank you for all of the CLAMP news you share. :]
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Plot holes….
Uhmm… i was thinking about this plot hole after i read trc chapter 189, because the last few chapters of ccs shows eriol as being somewhat surprised about how Sakura’s feelings have switched from what he and Clow Reed saw. If Clow Reed didnt foresee that Sakura would end up with Syaoran, then how could they (Clow Reed and Yuuko) have prepared for their (CCS Sakura’s and Syaoran’s) son`s arrival? just wondering…..
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OOOOOOOOOOMG! I’m so … O_________________O”
But i also realize … could R!Syaoran be Watanuki’s brother ? It’ll explain a lot of the ‘line of fate’ between then, but it’s sad too. Sakura and Syoran couldn’t stay with their two sons, and even one can’t remember about them .______.
I think they don’t still so happy as it was before (in CSS!), and it makes me wanna cry ;——–; . The only thing i really want in CLAMP is Sakura and Syoran happiness (omh, so clampy! HAUAHAAUA XD)
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OOKAWA AND MY BRAIN = NOT OTP
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LOL
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Thank you! ^^
My point is, there must be a meaning behind it, and it has to do with Syaoran and Watanuki’s connection. Yeah, I think so, too…but what could that be? Knowing Clamp it could be virtually anything, ne?
Hm..but R!Sakura is said to be “Shao”‘s fated person…
Maybe she spoke of two times? If you can travel through space and time…
I demand a time-line in the final Character Guide, CLAMP, for the sake of our brains. I do, too! But is it even possible to make one you can overlook? XD;
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theres something else that bothers me: how can they communicate? mokona’s obviously not there so…
and if you have read chp 190 spoilers, you should be more confused.
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Theories oO
Hmm… well… I also have a few theories! 😀
1. Yuuko’s statement on her confirmation of CCS!Sakura living in the same Japan as her AND Yuuko addressing CCS!Sakura as a ‘little girl’ could only mean that ‘CCS!Sakura’ (Syaoran’s mother) is yet again from a different world. Even though it sounds kinda weird, it could be true. In volume two, Touya’s and Yukito’s appearances in the Hanshin Republic were no different that the CCS versions of themselves. MAYBE the only difference between CCS!Sakura and ‘CCS!Sakura’ (‘Syaoran’s’ mother) besides living in other worlds is their age. That could possibly be a reason why CLAMP was thought to have screwed up the timeline. So in short, Syao’s mom Sakura is the one living in a different world of Japan and ‘little girl’ Sakura is living in the world with Yuuko.
2. ‘CCS!Sakura’ (Syao’s mom) giving Yuuko her star staff and not even meeting her. Hmm, pretty tricky for CLAMP to organize the wording for Yuuko (sometimes CLAMP’s words in this manga are so crypted that they make me dizzy… >
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And yeah. After reading 190 I really @__@. But don’t worry. CLAMP always make all the things will clear in the and. Or not XD
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I hope tsubasa does not end with many cliffhangers like their other series they should end it with an ending like wish and rg veda which is really concluded and no cliffhangers
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Re: the Cardcaptor’s first staff being in Yuuko’s possession, she said something about it belonging to a girl she hadn’t met, and that she wanted to meet her and her boyfriend someday (at least, that’s what I remember)- I always thought that meant that Sakura Kinomoto lived in Yuuko’s dimesnion (or at least one version of her did), and when I later read 189 I assumed that young ‘Syaoran”s parents were a grownup CCS Sakura and Syaoran from an alternate dimension (the fact that time passes differently in those dimensions would make it believable for one version of CCS Sakura to grow up and have a seven-year-old son, while the one in Yuuko’s dimension could still be a teenager and not yet married to Syaoran).
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