Just so you know, Tsubasa 178, 179 and XXXHOLiC 148 are available at The Room of Requirement. I’m not going to write a full report on them, but I do have a few things to say about Tsubasa.
– Tsubasa is surprising me by each chapter, I could never ever possibly guess the story would become what it became. Like, Sakura is a clone too? Oh my god, Ohkawa really fooled me there, deeply! And the part where Sakura goes down below in the ruins, even that had a purpose! The more she fools me, the more I love her.
– Who is Real!Syaoran’s Sakura? The original one of Clow country? Or is he really CCS!Syaoran and his Sakura is Sakura Kinomoto?
– Did Fei Wang clone Sakura’s body as well, or only her soul? If he did, and if the soul is inside the tube, where is the body?
– Speaking of the tube, I don’t think Fei Wang’s tube is the same as Yuuko’s. Why would he put the original Sakura under Yuuko’s care? Besides, the background image when Fei Wang’s tube appears is the same as of the first scene of the series, and we’ve never seen that background when Yuuko’s tube was being shown (I know it sounds crazy, but I have no idea what those poligonals mean!)
– Fei Wang bicthes! I want to know more about Fei Wang’s bitches!! I thought we would never see them again! He says they are failures, I say they are failed attempts to clone someone, including Xing Huo, rather than revive.
– And lastly, who else thinks the clone wants revenge now? Watch your back, Fei Wang xD
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Actually, that was R!Syaoran in the last panel. I was fooled at first too, but R!Syao doesn’t have that blood streak on his left cheek, and the Syaoran in the last panel doesn’t either. Also, Real’s clothes were torn up like the Syao in the last panel, but Cloney’s were perfectly untouched the last time you see them before then.
So…now I’m like “Holy crap! R!Syaoran looks like he’s going to kill somebody–and I think we all know who!”
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Ah! ^_^;
I’m so busy fangirling today–I forgot to say thank you for posting the raws–The link to 179 didn’t work for me from LDM–probably just too many ppl accessing it, but anyway-thank you so much!
As for the other things you said about Tsubasa:
1. I was totally thrown as well!
2. I used to not even consider the CCS vs. Clow debate–but recently I’m wondering too…
3. I have no idea either…
4. Didn’t notice that–*goes to look*
5. I assumed he killed them all since we hadn’t seen them–For some reason I’m glad they’re all still alive even though we know nothing about them…
I wonder who they were meant to be as well…
6. I thought it was the clone too, until I looked closer at the cheek. The rough marks match up with Real and there aren’t any blood streaks–and those clothes are tattered like Real’s.
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You’re welcome! I just tried the link and it works for me ^^ Tell me if you’re still having problems ^^
>Didn’t notice that–*goes to look*
I think it’s such a small detail, but it’s what makes me believe that there are TWO tubes.
>I assumed he killed them all since we hadn’t seen them
You think so? I think they are still alive. Some people thought Kyle was alive just because we hadn’t seen him in a while and there he is ^^
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>Actually, that was R!Syaoran in the last panel. I was fooled at first too, but R!Syao doesn’t have that blood streak on his left cheek, and the Syaoran in the last panel doesn’t either.
Yes, you are right on that, I really didn’t notice! But that last panel alone didn’t make me think that. I thought he was really affected by Sakura’s death, I was quite surprised to tell you the truth, that is why I think he won’t forgive FWR that easily. Now that we’ve realized that, R!Syaoran looks even more pissed xDDDD
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I was completely thrown with the whole Sakura is a clone, particularly because I’ve grown so attached to her.
HOWEVER, the idea that the real Sakura and Syaoran are from the CCS Universe has crossed my mind and would be very cool. Considering that Yuuko’s Clow is CCS’s Clow.
This is getting more and more confused.
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that would make 3 Sakuras wouldn’t it? The Clow Sakura, CCS Sakura and Clow’s clone Sakura O_o” (can you only clone a soul? Oo”)
Yuuko’s Clow is CCS’s Clow
Can it be? Yuuko and Clow are possibly the only persons in the universe that don’t have their other “selves” in other worlds…
I hope clamp will explain soon >_>
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I know, three Sakuras, but think about it.
Syaoran, Fye, Kuro and Sakura are the only ones we haven’t seen an alternate reality one. This can’t be a coincidence. I refuse to think that they left it to chance.
We haven’t seen Watanuki, Doumeki or Himawari either.
As for Yuuko and Clow (and Fei Wong) being unique, doesn’t that contradict the whole initial theory that in every dimension there’s a counterpart?
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True. But I’m really confused who is who and whose.
But, Yuuko is like in the center of all the diomensions, isn’t she? From every single world someone could contact with her. As she would be the common part.
I met with a theory that the more someone is powerful, the less “copies” of him there are. I’m thinking about Yuui!Fai being Fai’s “other” – same looks, other souls. But… well. Stupid theory ^^”
We’ll see …. I hope ^^”
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She perceives all dimensions, true.
As for the powerful theory I don’t know.
I believe it will all be explained (eventually), even if waiting sucks! ^_^
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Maybe the other Yuukos are not Witch of Dimensions? xD
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I don’t think that CCS!Sakura is the same as Real!Sakura. I’m afraid it would no longer make any sense. According to chapter 178, Fei Wang cloned Real!Sakura during the scene in the ruins, which would mean she had lived all her life in Clow Country, and one person just can’t be at two places at the same time.
Moreover, even if their counterparts haven’t actually showed up, there might have been one note on them in volume 12. In Piffle World, Tomoyo once remarked looking at Clone!Syaoran that “he’s really very much like the one she knows”. We still don’t know who she was driving at, so what if it was some other “real” Syaoran?
And I’d say that Watanuki, Doumeki and Himawari are a special case. We don’t even know the true nature of the dream yet.
However, I also wonder what makes Yuuko, Clow and Fei Wang so unique not to have any counterparts…
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“Real Sakura” is older than “CCS Sakura” when we last saw her though, her whole existence in Clow World could be implanted memories or a very elaborate illusion created by either Clow or Yuuko. I also find it odd that real Sakura’s father had also passed away, because if “Real Sakura” is a counterpart then that means that Clow has other counterparts in other dimensions unlike Yuuko.
Fujitaka also puzzles me, in CCS he was part of Clow along with Eriol, so does it make sense that he exists as the same as Clow does even in another dimension? In Tsubasa, Fujitaka as also passed away as well.
This is giving me a headache…
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Well, I guess there are still lots of possibilities XDD The memories could be fake or it all could have been something like a dream (I can’t think so intricately as Ohkawa XD}, but wouldn’t it be a little too complex compared to the possibility that CCS is just not included? I know that some people believe that all Tsubasa story could take place when CCS!Syaoran was in Hong Kong, but in CCS Sakura actually says they wrote and phoned each other during that time, which just can’t be challenged (of course, without an escapist explanation like “it was all just a dream” or time shifts). Well, let’s hope in the future, shall we lol XD
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CCS might not be included, but Yuuko already alluded to it twice.
But I guess neither can think as intricately as Ohkawa, we’ll have to wait and see.
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Yes, you’re right, she did… Well, who knows. Let’s wait for what Ohkawa has up her sleeve XD
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you know all this makes actually shao and saku related 😉 clow!saku is clow’s doughter while c!shao is a clone of clow’s relative. I suppose that’s how clamp made the solution of relation 🙂
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>In Piffle World, Tomoyo once remarked looking at Clone!Syaoran that “he’s really very much like the one she knows”.
I didn’t remember that O.o she said that speaking of Sakura?
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I didn’t read scanlations at that time, but in DelRey edition it’s page 19 of volume 12. Tomoyo is looking at Clone!Syaoran from the window and says for herself with a smile: “It’s true. The way he pilots his machine… is very much like the one I know.”
Unless they got the translation completely wrong, I think this sentence is pretty suspicious XD (It was actually the only interesting sentence in all Piffle World, which made me remember it XDDDD)
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I see… I’ll keep that scene in mind for when the Brazilian edition reaches that point xDDD So Tomoyo knew R!Syaoran?
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Well, I don’t remember reading anything like that in the French translation. Since I lent it to a friend, I took a look at my Japanese copy and here’s what it’s writen:
本当に機体の操縦の仕方というのは
ご本当に似るものですわ寝
Wich had been translated on Tsubasa scripts reservoir :
It is certainly true, that the way a person handles their craft, is a reflection of the person himself.
It’s the best I can do for now. ^_^
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Oh I see ! Thanks for your efforts, Mireime-san ^__^
Yeah, indeed I couldn’t remember reading anything of the sort (but then, I couldn’t remember reading about when Ashura hinted that Syaoran was a clone either xD).
It sounds like a tricky sentence, I suspect a translation mistake of their part ^^”
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Thanks a lot! ^^
This makes the whole business at least a little clearer… And shows that DelRey is more idiotic than I thought XD
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I like to think that nobody is unique, not even Yuuko or Clow. For example, I believe Clow!Clow is NOT CCS!Clow. But I have my doubts too xD The fact that we got only one deluxe cover of Clow could mean that they are both the same person xD
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In regards to Clow, both CCS!Clow and Clow!Clow have passed away, which doesn’t necessarily hold true. Oruha, Ryuu-Ou, Seishirou and countless others have passed away in their “regular” universes and we see them popping in and out of Tsubasa without problems.
Except for Clow, I mean probability alone would dictate that they would encounter at least one of their counterparts, and yet… they haven’t.
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Clow’s passing away in CCS could mean he “moved to another world” I mean yue and Kero didn’t saw him dead – he just disappeared. He already had descendants in CCS world. It could be easy for him to move to Clow, meet a woman with whom he had Sakura and Tooya (That would explain Tooya’s dark hair at least in clow country xDDDDD). He’ s not immortal but he deffinitely has a long lifespan as expected from a powerful magician. Making alter egos is also not a problem 😉
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I think Kero and Yue actually did see him die. He splat his soul into two, and he couldn’t possibly live in Clow Country without a soul.
However, I think that he could actually live in Clow Country and have Sakura for his daughter BEFORE he moved to CCS!World. We still learn about how time flows different in different dimensions, so this might be one of the demonstrations. He could originally belong to Clow Country, have his children (Sakura and Touya), than move away to CCS World (because at least, in Tsubasa we still haven’t learnt anything about his death), start a new line of descendants including CCS!Sakura and then die, having told Yuuko about some events important for Tsubasa (that he already predicted).
Generally, the time shifts might be more important than we think. What if all the story has already happened before, with an unknown outcome? In earlier volumes, we were repeatedly informed that something was happening “once again”…
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this is scary – the time I mean. You might be right as well, but this is too much for my imagination ^^”
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Off-topic butting in after reading your conversation: have we seen Yue in Tsubasa yet?
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Well, we haven’t seen Yue, but we have seen Yukito. I’m not sure if it counts the same or not, but it would probably mean that Yukito in Tsubasa was born(…) after Yue/Yukito in CCS was created, because if Clow had seen that Touya and Yukito were soulmates, he probably wouldn’t have expected Yukito to fall in love with Sakura (as Eriol says in CCS). Oh my, it gets even more complicated like this ^^;;; Because in Tsubasa, he clearly knew that Sakura and Syaoran were soulmates, but in CCS Eriol directly points out that it surprised him. But TRC just can’t be happening after CCS, because in TRC, Clow was still alive, while at CCS he was clearly dead.
OMG… Clow could change other people’s memories, couldn’t he?! O___O
*is dizzy*
Well, no matter what, one thing is for sure, no “real” Yues neither Kero-chans whatsoever have appeared so far ^^
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to: n you only clone a soul?
I agree with Mikoto-chan. My opininion is that Fei Wang can´t clone souls, only bodies. Because even if he did and cloned C!Sakura´s and C!Syaoran´s souls, where would be the meaning in “creating your own soul”?
And moreover, Fei Wang didn´t even intend to clone Sakura´s soul, he only needs her body as a container for memories.
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If FWR cloned Sakura’s soul as well or not, we know one thing, the clone HAD a soul too since we just saw its death. Maybe the clone had a soul because of the feathers…
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I think you’re mistaken right now. Clone!Sakura did have a soul, but it was a completely new soul developed once and for all {as I assume) as she fell in love with Clone!Syaoran (because they could form a completely knew soulmate pair like that XD). That’s the point: they’re clones, just copied bodies who don’t have any soul, only intentions and purposes that Fei Wang Reed inserted into them. That’s why C!Syaoran became completely cold and ruthless when his heart returned back to R!Syaoran. C!Sakura also seemed kind of “soulless” in the beginning, which started to get better because of the feathers, but I believe that what we just saw die was C!Sakura’s NEW soul (while the feathers are still inside the body). If it wasn’t, wouldn’t C!Syaoran just killed R!Sakura’s soul?!! O.o That can’t be possible, because she said “I’m NOT your Sakura” to R!Syaoran.
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Well, that’s what I said, right? I said that I wasn’t sure whether FWR had cloned the soul too or only the body (most likely), and that maybe the NEW soul (as you called it) was created because of the feathers.
She wouldn’t wake up without the feathers, so I’d say they helped her to build her soul.
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Agreed =)
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I think only body’s can be cloned …
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Clow Reed created Yue and Yukito, and Yukito was a human with a soul…so Clow Reed can create souls at least, but he’s Clow, soo… XD
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I have once thought about that… I think that Clow might have “copied” his heart into his creations just as R!Syaoran did with C!Syaoran. When we look at them, Kero and Yue put together kind of form Clow’s character (just like Spinel and Ruby form Eriol’s), which would make sense because C!Syaoran’s former character also seemed like something like a half of R!Syaoran’s character. Clow’s magic was greater than R!Syaoran’s, so the souls could stay in their bodies longer, maybe forever. The question is why they didn’t disappear when Sakura became their new master – but in fact, the magic in their bodies was still Clow’s, so it could have a satisfying explanation after all.
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Particularly because hell, I had no idea! xD It’s like when we all found out Syaoran was a clone.
You mean Clow!Sakura being CCS!Sakura? How is that possible?
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The last we saw of CCS!Sakura, she was thirteen years old, Clow!Sakura is sixteen, there’s a three year gap in all of this so there’s a lot they can play with. Like I mentioned in another comment, for all we know, Clow!Country could be just an illusion, or Sakura’s memories could be fabricated, maybe in a way to protect her from FWR, back in CCS, Clow protected Sakura and prepared for her maturing and passing the final trial with Yue by leaving an artifact with Kaho.
In CCS, Sakura is Clow’s heiress, she is the mistress of the (now) Sakura Cards and welds a considerable amount of power. Being Fujitaka’s daughter, she is also a descendant of Clow himself and while Fujitaka’s existence in CCS was explained towards the end, why was there a Fujitaka in Clow!Country? Specially when Clow himself was alive when Fujitaka first got there, and if you think about it, Fujitaka conveniently came from another world that we don’t know of.
Yes, I know, my mind is a weird place.
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Hahaha I see… xD I like you a lot, Eolo-kun, and you have a very powerful immagination, but I don’t quite agree with you xD
But, everything’s possible xDDDDDDDD
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I’m probably wrong, but half the fun is in thinking of making a plausible theory.
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No, actually, I’ve been thinking similar thoughts for a while now, especially since some Sakura somewhere traded her wand to Yuuko and now it’s sitting in Yuuko’s basement in payment for some wish. We know Yuuko can manipulate time and space…personally, I’ve been wondering if the Shaoran and Sakura from CCS didn’t voluntarily consign themselves to parallel (fabricated?) worlds in an attempt to foil Fei Wong Reed.
Argh I don’t know. My brain breaks when I try to think about it. But I just can’t escape the feeling that R!Shaoran and R!Sakura are the same as the CCS Shaoran and Sakura.
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Did she trade her wand? I thought Yuuko said it’s a toy. Besides, the wand is the old wand she had during the first story arch.
That volunteer thought is very interesting.
We’ll have to wait and see it. I wouldn’t mind it if it were.
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Yeah, the fact that it’s not the star wand in that panel is what makes me think I might be wrong, too.
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We’ll just have to wait and see but it was quite thrilling to theorize.
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time flows differently in many dimensions, remember 😀
Hmm, nice one, I love the idea 😀 We really know nothing of Clow’s Fujitaka. however, he could be also from different countries, NOT worlds, morover his memories and knowledge might be implanted. Fujitaka is Clow’s other creation since Clow dreamt that there would be c!shao and he has to meet Sakura and so on. This is what I believe :3
But now I’m curious who’s R!Shao’s father now *o*
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That’s right. Sakura’s father was never mentioned in CCS. And we only saw his mother during the animated movie.
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huh?
then what about Fujitaka? (unless you mixed saku and shao? Oo) 😉
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I meant Syaoran, not Sakura. Gomen… baka me.
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And Seishirou met him, too, Syaoran’s father 😉
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This is the first Tsubasa chapter in a while that had made me pause for about thirty seconds and gone: ‘WHAT?! O.o’ Damn you Ohkawa for making me go back and re-read chapter one AGAIN! XD
So yes, what happened to the real Sakura? I can’t wait to find out! ^^
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This chapter was beautiful! I love the scene when the “clones” are hugging each other, so pretty!
Now the next quest is to find the real Sakura, what I want to know is: we know where her soul is (tube), but what about her body? Did FWR cloned the body too or only her soul? If that’s the case, does that mean that body stolen by Kyle is the body of real Sakura?
So confusing XD
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Sorry, this is kinda random, but…
Have you noticed that C!Sakura died just like X!Seishirou??? It was a sad scene, but I must confessed I smirked a little when I realized it… XD
Fei Wang bicthes! I want to know more about Fei Wang’s bitches!!
You made me laugh, you can’t imagine how much! XDDDDDD
But hey, I’m interested too! Where did they go? I always suspected that FWR ate them, cause suddenly they disappeared… o__o
*raises a hand* I think that too! Go Clone, go! His expressions were even more sad than all Sakura dying scene… ç___ç
Uh… I ranted a little about all that clone soap opera here if you’re interested……………u////u
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Have you noticed that C!Sakura died just like X!Seishirou??? It was a sad scene, but I must confessed I smirked a little when I realized it… XD
You’re right! rotfl xD what is it? planned or lack of ideas for dying? XD
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I’d bet that Sakura did it on purpose just to piss off Buffy!Seishirou, who were watching down there!!! XDDD
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XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD “Buffy!Seishiro” ROTFL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
thank you xDDDDDD
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HAHAHAHA “I can do it too, watch!” xDDDD
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Have you noticed that C!Sakura died just like X!Seishirou???
that’s exactly what i’m thinking too XD
i do hope that Sei-chan was saying the same…!
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Oh yeah, he was… I’m sure… ç___ç
Ahh… Clamp and their kink for “half sentences” lastwords!!! =___=*
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Of course I noticed that xDDD That classical scene repeated itself in TRC too ^^
>You made me laugh, you can’t imagine how much! XDDDDDD
Hahahaha because I’m very curious about them, really! xD
>But hey, I’m interested too! Where did they go? I always suspected that FWR ate them, cause suddenly they disappeared… o__o
HAHAHAHA “ate them” xDDDD
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Yeah he probably finished all his popcorns and was too lazy to find some other things to eat while watching his favourite show!XD
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SO CONFUSING!!! O___O
Great chapter – one thing I am sure about is C!shao is a raging hell now… But towards whom? R!shao or FWR or? O_o”
So the body that was travelling was a copy. So a copy is C!shao’s love?? Or?
I don’t get it ^^””””
CLAMP is evil XD
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That was R!Syao raging at the end. Check out the left cheek. It’s not Cloney. No blood streaks and the pattern of scuffing on the cheek is the same as R!Syao.
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yes, but is was c!shao screaming after Sakura disappeared *_*
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That’s right, he was just as pissed xD
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>one thing I am sure about is C!shao is a raging hell now… But towards whom? R!shao or FWR or? O_o”
Indeed
I can’t say for sure but I think he must be pissed with FWR.
>So a copy is C!shao’s love?? Or?
Yes ^^ Isn’t it cute? XD ClonexClone and RealxReal xD
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but I’m pretty certain fwr switched the princesses in the ruins when the feathers scattered. c!Shao this way would be in love with r!sakura. My theory: real shao’s saku is CCS saku (he is a ccs shao – clow reed’s relative, same magic, same sword and so on). c!shao’s is r!clow!saku. so the princess’ copy (now without a soul) is just a memory container. In order to r!saku was saved and in love with shao she would have to regain her memories. Maybe the clone will fuse with her later or give away all her feathers more likely :3
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If Real!Sakura doesn’t have a body anymore, then we can assume that her soul will be fused with the clone’s body in the end, indeed ^^
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huh? I missed that – so where is r!sakura’s body? O_o” The soul sleeping in fwr’s tube, right? But what happened to the body? Perished? O_o””
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That’s what I’m asking myself too, look:
Did Fei Wang clone Sakura’s body as well, or only her soul? If he did, and if the soul is inside the tube, where is the body?
I would like to know where the original body is too xD
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Thank you and Ladydarkmoon for the raws! The art of the last tsubasa chapter was amaizingly beatuful *_____* but what a sad chapter T_______T
– And lastly, who else thinks the clone wants revenge now? Watch your back, Fei Wang xD
Oh Yes XDXDXD Go, Syaoran GO!! XD
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Indeed sad, but so pretty! *-* Tsubasa is blowing me away by each chapter, it’s amazing.
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Thanks for the raws!!! ^__^
1. Well, I actually thought she was not the same as CCS!Sakura for quite a while, so it didn’t surprise me THAT much XDDD;;; But I think I was just one of few…
2. I tend to the opinion that CCS is not a part of the Tsubasa story, and I think that it’s even become quite obvious in the last chapters. I believe that princess Sakura in the first chapter of Tsubasa was Real!Sakura, which means that she was the one who spent all her childhood with Clone!Syaoran, but it’s unlikely that she will ever get her memories back (which could be a “fair” prize Yuuko made her pay, because the relationship R!Syaoran paid with might have been the relationship with her). So, Real!Sakura is the one sleeping in the tube right now (I wonder if she’s dreaming about Watanuki? ^^)
3. I think he can’t clone a soul… It’s clear he cloned the body (the same as he did with Clone!Syaoran), that’s why C!Sakura was kind of “no one” in the beginning, but she started to get better after she got Real!Sakura’s feathers and she also began to develop her own soul (who we encountered in the Dream world and who just died ;____;). And are you perfectly sure that the one inside the tube is a soul? Why can’t it be a body? Wait, have we actually been informed that the feathers aren’t Real!Sakura’s?
I thought they were *confused*
4. I also don’t think it’s the tube at Yuuko’s, that one looked more like some kind of a model… I think that the tube is inside the ruins in Clow Country, because it has the same pattern as the wings.
5. “Bitches”? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD What a cool name for them LOLLL XDDDD Well, I’d say that cloning might mean the same as reviving in this case… It might be why he still hasn’t succeeded. The question is, who the heck does he want to clone?! >< Could both be the real ones?! *w* *prays* XD
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>1. Well, I actually thought she was not the same as CCS!Sakura for quite a while, so it didn’t surprise me THAT much XDDD;;; But I think I was just one of few…
CCS!Sakura? But I never thought they were the same O.o I thought there was no clone for Sakura. I thought Clow!Sakura had set off to their journey instead of a clone. Did you think she was a clone during this entire time? If so, you really amaze me xD
>2. I tend to the opinion that CCS is not a part of the Tsubasa story,
Hum… We never know… I’m so torn in two. Maybe the Sakura who is “waiting” is not Clow!Sakura, but CCS!Sakura. And maybe the clone will end up with R!Sakura in the end, since INDEED they fell in love with each other when they were children. We never know xD
>but it’s unlikely that she will ever get her memories back (which could be a “fair” prize Yuuko made her pay, because the relationship R!Syaoran paid with might have been the relationship with her).
About that, when they arrived to Yuuko’s store, that was Sakura’s clone already, not the real one. She cast the spell in the clone, and not the real one. So maybe, if the real Sakura does get her feathers back in the end, maybe she WILL remember of Syaoran, after all, the spell wasn’t cast on her =)
>And are you perfectly sure that the one inside the tube is a soul? Why can’t it be a body?
I’m not perfectly sure XDDD But, she’s wearing the same dress as the clone’s soul, and at least in Yuuko’s tube, one can’t get inside it with their bodies. I don’t know, really xD
>I also don’t think it’s the tube at Yuuko’s, that one looked more like some kind of a model… I think that the tube is inside the ruins in Clow Country, because it has the same pattern as the wings.
Good point! Maybe it’s a tool that can help FWR grant his wish, and maybe you can fit your body inside it O.o That would explain why Syaoran looks all beaten up in the first chapter!
>”Bitches”? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL XDDDDDDDDDDDDDD What a cool name for them LOLLL XDDDD Well, I’d say that cloning might mean the same as reviving in this case..
hahahaha thanks xDDDDD But I wouldn’t call it the “same”. A clone is a replica, a duplicate, while when you revive someone, it’s still the same person. Besides, if we were to think that they are failed attempts to REVIVE someone, then we can assume that he wants to revive a WOMAN. On the other hand, the bitches might as well be clonning experiments in order to perfectly clone Sakura and Syaoran when the time comes.
>But C!Syaoran’s scream was so desperate, it’s not clear who will stab Fei Wang first lol XDDD
Maybe they’ll fight again to decide who’s gonna kill FWR? XD
Thanks for your comments, really nice thoughts!
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>About that, when they arrived to Yuuko’s store, that was Sakura’s clone already, not the real one. She cast the spell in the clone, and not the real one. So maybe, if the real Sakura does get her feathers back in the end, maybe she WILL remember of Syaoran, after all, the spell wasn’t cast on her =)
So sorry, but I have different opinion about this matter. Firstly, C!Syaoran was paying the prize and she didn´t cast the spell in the clone. The prize was his relationship with Sakura he cared about. (He was thinking about R!Sakura at thet time.) And Yuuko erased him from Sakura´s memory. It must have been R!Sakura´s memory (now scattered across the universe in form of feathers), because clones don´t have their own. I know that it´s not for sure (Fei Wang´s “explanations” are more confusing than helping:)) but even C!Syaoran doesn´t remeber anything what had happened before the rainy day when Fujitaka found him and doesn´t have R!Syaorans memories either.
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>Firstly, C!Syaoran was paying the prize and she didn´t cast the spell in the clone.
I meant Sakura’s clone ^^” She did cast the spell on Sakura’s clone.
>must have been R!Sakura´s memory (now scattered across the universe in form of feathers)
That’s the thing, we don’t know it ^^ We don’t know if she removed Syaoran FROM the memories themselves or FOR clone!Sakura. For example, maybe Yuuko didn’t remove Syaoran from the memories themselves, because Syaoran still remembers everything. Maybe Yuuko removed Syaoran for clone!Sakura, in particular.
I’m not sure if I’m being clear, instead of removing Syaoran directly from the memories, Yuuko rather made clone!Sakura not to remember him, not “see” him. But he was still there, nevertheless.
Remember in Outo when the clone (sakura) was trying to remember of Syaoran and the spell “hit” her? So, that’s what I’m talking about, the real Sakura wasn’t exposed to that spell, so if she tries to remember him, maybe the spell won’t affect her.
I’m just seeing this as a way for Sakura to remember Syaoran in the end, I could be wrong ^^”
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>CCS!Sakura? But I never thought they were the same O.o I thought there was no clone for Sakura. I thought Clow!Sakura had set off to their journey instead of a clone. Did you think she was a clone during this entire time? If so, you really amaze me xD
I didn’t mean directly “CCS!Sakura” from CCS, but her version from a different world. I didn’t think all the time she was a *clone* but, to tell the truth, my best friend did remark last March(!!! O.o) that she found TRC!Sakura really vague compared to CCS!Sakura and that she thought she was a clone as well! LOLL XDDDD I didn’t quite believe her at that time, but I agreed that TRC!Sakura still could have proved fundamentally different from CCS!Sakura, just like C!Syaoran was fundamentally different from R!Syaoran/CCS!Syaoran from the start. However, my friend said she had found TRC!Sakura different from the very start, but I argued that she was pretty much like CCS!Sakura in the first chapter LOLLLLL XDDDDD
I think all the parallel worlds idea is the key. The characters we’ve encountered in different dimensions so far were always the same as characters in original CLAMP creations (they had precisely the same characteristics and the way of speech, which is always very important for Ohkawa) – EXCEPT FROM Sakura and Syaoran. Ohkawa tried to fooled us in Sakura’s case by scattering her memories, so we were to believe she will eventually gain her old characteristics again, but in my opinion after Tokyo it started to be more and more obvious that she is just NOT the same. But all the time, her way of speech was one of the main keys, because it was the same as C!Syaoran’s and he WAS a clone.
Personally, I think that Ohkawa is really a genius – it is truly a masterpiece to be able to distinguish the characters who are seemingly the same just by such little details. It was something like a test for all long-time fans, I think ^^
But by the way, my friend (mugetsu01 here XD) is really scary in her predictions. I recall that after reading of volume 9, I noticed that Syaoran and Sakura on the cover of volume 1 have different outfits than the ones Yuuko had just confiscated them, and she asked: “So do you think they are different Sakura and Syaoran?” And I was like, “No, that’s too far-fetched…” LOLLLLL XDDDDDD And then, after reading of volume 10, we actually came up with a theory that TRC!Syaoran is a clone made from Bottle!Syaoran’s eye! LOLLLLL XDDDDDDD
>Maybe the Sakura who is “waiting” is not Clow!Sakura, but CCS!Sakura. And maybe the clone will end up with R!Sakura in the end, since INDEED they fell in love with each other when they were children.
I still don’t know either, but I want to believe that Tsubasa was not supposed to be a continuation of CCS, and this would make it one. Besides, there is one hole in the theory. TRC!Sakura can see “dead people”, but CCS!Sakura couldn’t; she only sensed them (unless she gained the ability after she became the Master of the Clow).
About R!Sakura and C!Syaoran, I think they will not end up together because of the soulmate concept. C!Syaoran did fall in love with her, but it was when he still had a half of R!Syaoran’s heart. From what we saw in the last chapter, he fell in love with C!Sakura – they fell in love with each other mutually, which makes them a new soulmate pair. According to CCS, R!Sakura and R!Syaoran are soulmates. R!Sakura used to be in love with C!Syaoran, but she was also in love with Yukito in CCS and in the end she ended up with Syaoran anyway. And if she can fall in love with a half of R!Syaoran’s heart, why she shouldn’t be able to fall in love with the whole thing lol? XD
>then we can assume that he wants to revive a WOMAN.
I’ve heard a theory that Kyle is a clone also (and similar to Clow Reed at that), and that Fei Wang might want to revive Clow’s parents, as he was Chinese-English and Xing Huo is a Chinese name and Kyle sounds properly English, and Xing Huo even had Clow’s magic circle. I like the theory, but the problem is that “Fei Wang Reed” is a Chinese-English name also and he pointed out that Clow is his descendant XD I once thought he might want to revive Nadeshiko, but I’m starting to think it’s rubbish XDDD
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OMG this is so long… I’m sorry XD;;;;; There is always so much to think about when it comes to Tsubasa ^^;;;; *eheh* ‘:D
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Don’t worry, comment away xD
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>my best friend did remark last March(!!! O.o) that she found TRC!Sakura really vague compared to CCS!Sakura
Yeah, she was very vague at the beginning, but I took that it was because she was missing her feathers, not because she was a soul-less clone xD
>Personally, I think that Ohkawa is really a genius – it is truly a masterpiece to be able to distinguish the characters who are seemingly the same just by such little details. It was something like a test for all long-time fans, I think ^^
I agree. Not only Ohkawa, Mokona as well. We can clearly distinguish TRC!Sakura/Syaoran from their CCS counterparts ^^
>but I want to believe that Tsubasa was not supposed to be a continuation of CCS, and this would make it one.
I don’t think so O.o CCS story is one thing and TRC’s story is another completely different thing. The only common element we MIGHT have is CCS!Syaoran, and that TRC’s story might be happening WHILE Syaoran was theorically in “Hong Kong”. I don’t see it as a continuation, IF both stories are that connected, to me it’s two different stories happening at the same time.
>Besides, there is one hole in the theory. TRC!Sakura can see “dead people”, but CCS!Sakura couldn’t; she only sensed them
Ah, I see why the confusion, that’s why you think I think TRC is a continuation of CCS. The thing is, I don’t think TRC!Sakura is CCS!Sakura, no at all. So far, Syaoran is the only character of CCS that MIGHT have appeared in TRC (and Clow, of course). When I said this:
Who is Real!Syaoran’s Sakura? The original one of Clow country? Or is he really CCS!Syaoran and his Sakura is Sakura Kinomoto?
I mean that there are two different Sakuras, and I’m asking myself which of the two is Real!Syaoran’s true Sakura: the one in the tube (ie. TRC!Sakura) or the one from Japan (ie. CCS!Sakura), they are both “waiting”, if you consider what clone!Sakura said. But I don’t know the clone knew about CCS!Sakura’s existence, or that real!Syaoran could be CCS!Syaoran, if you know what I mean xDDD
>C!Syaoran did fall in love with her, but it was when he still had a half of R!Syaoran’s heart.
Good point. It’s what I like to think as well. Even though there was a “body” between Sakura and Syaoran, she fell in love for his heart, which belongs to the real Syaoran. And real Syaoran felt everything from the tube, so.
>From what we saw in the last chapter, he fell in love with C!Sakura – they fell in love with each other mutually, which makes them a new soulmate pair.
Agreed XD It’s so cute, isn’t it? Clones and reals xD
>And if she can fall in love with a half of R!Syaoran’s heart, why she shouldn’t be able to fall in love with the whole thing lol? XD
Exactly! XD
>I’ve heard a theory that Kyle is a clone also (and similar to Clow Reed at that), and that Fei Wang might want to revive Clow’s parents,
Hu-hum, I heard that theory too, and it’s a quite possible one. After all, Clow has both chinese and english ancestors. Maybe FWR is Clow’s brother and he wants to revive their parents? Lol xD
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Another theory I have is that R!Shao actually is CCS Shao. He was kidnapped and It could have happend during this Shao and Saku didn’t see eachother in the manga (so when he returned, he was all after this mess XD) ooor after the manga has ended. So he could have been taken from his world (where CCS!Saku is crying her eyes out about him). I know my memory is missing details right now. But that would leav R!Clow!Saku and C!Shao and the C!Clow!Saku which probably just died and her body was taken to FWR. One thing I don’t get is why she told “I love you” to R!Shao >_> Or did she say it in the name of the original? Oo” “we are all the same” so maybe all Sakuras think the same ;D
My english sucks and I can’t say what I want to say ^^”
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She didn’t tell “I love you” to R!Syao, she said that to Clone!Syao. That’s why he was so brokenhearted after she died.
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you’re right O_O how come I mixed them up?!? O_O”
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>Another theory I have is that R!Shao actually is CCS Shao. He was kidnapped and It could have happend during this Shao and Saku didn’t see eachother in the manga (so when he returned, he was all after this mess XD)
True *nods* It’s a possibility, definitely.
And I think clone Sakura’s declaration was indeed for clone!Syaoran. Because that’s the Syaoran she fell in love with since she first opened her eyes in Hanshin.
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well besides the deathwise for fei wang i think the kyle dude also has some mega issues or maybe he gets killed by evil!syaoran who disappeared into thing air once again.
plus i just watched the boys right eye – tokyo revelations .. man that sure clears up some stuff from the tokyo arc .. it went so fast and everything that it kinda ..huh?’d me .. btw .. wasnt kamui’s arm suppose to come off completly?
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I wonder about Kyle’s destiny as well… he better not meet the clone on his way to FWR ^^”
It’s great to watch it, isn’t it? Because it’s like you are re-reading the manga ^^
>btw .. wasnt kamui’s arm suppose to come off completly?
Yes it was ¬¬ at least more than it came in the OAD, quite disappointing…
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yeah its way better watching it then reading it .. at least for the tokyo arc .. i remember reading that and wondering what the hell was going on XD
i wonder if the whole sakura going out on the tokyo trip is gonna be part 3 *ponders* .. but whateva .. the thing i did notice was that syaoran tried to eat fai’s eye more then once XD .. im like .. that was in the manga? *clueluess*
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>i wonder if the whole sakura going out on the tokyo trip is gonna be part 3 *ponders*
No need to wonder anymore, the third OAD will be centered in Sakura’s quest ^^
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Thank you for the scans chibiyuuto-san!, ladydarkmoon-san!
xD hahaha after reading both chapters I went to sleep hoping it was a nightmare and those chapters didn’t exist…and hell, next day those chapters were still there >___
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Hahahah poor mina-akira ^^”” But the story is turning out very greatly, believe me ^__^
Hum… I’ll try to explain who’s in love with who, but I’m not even sure of that!
I think that, basically, clones are in love with each other and reals are in love with each other xD But I’m not even sure of that… The clone lived 7 years with the real Sakura, after all. They built together a relationship, and yet it seems that his “pair” is the clone Sakura, whom he killed and died in his arms.
As for clone!Sakura, that one I’m sure, she loves the clone because that’s the one Syaoran she interacted with the most. She opened her eyes in Hanshin and there he was, the clone.
As for real!Syaoran, I think he loves the real Sakura since he always saw her through the eye of the clone, and apparently he knew that Sakura’s clone was a clone.
And finally, real!Sakura. It’s true that she only interacted with the clone, but the clone is half of what the real!Syaoran is, so you can think that she fell in love with half of real!Syaoran’s heart.
Quite confusing, isn’t it?
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Here’s my theory on the tube that I just came up with (I dono if anyone else has the same theory because I haven’t read other comments yet @.@)
I’m thinking that ‘inside’ the tube is another world, while the two ‘tubes’ we see that Yuuko and FWR have are just the ‘doorways/or almost mirroring glasses’ to see into the tube universe. So they both have access to it.
Such a lame idea xD
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It could be, it could be xD
Someone mentioned that Yuuko’s tube is just a model, a replica, and that the real tube (again with this replica/real story? xD) is under the Clow’s ruins.
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>Did Fei Wang clone Sakura’s body as well, or only her soul? If he did, and if the soul is inside the tube, where is the body?
If he had Kyle retrieve the replica Sakura’s body, I suppose he wants to copy the body’s memories into the real one.
With all these twists, I’m suddenly wondering about Touya and Yukito’s conversation why back in chapitre 33. They said it seemed like the sandstorm around the ruins was protecting something… (like maybe, Sakura’s body?)
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Hum…. it could be o.o Then inside the tube is the “whole” Sakura or only her soul? If her soul is in the tube, where is her body?
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I’m betting the soul is in the tube in the weirdy space-time world that Fei Wong is hiding in. Her real body is still hidden in the ruins and he needs recover it to imprint it with the memories of her copy’s body, which Kyle retrieved. That’s my theory anyway…
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Or, he’ll just use the clone’s body? Can we really transfer body memories?
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In the first quarter of the manga (volumes 1 to 7) Shaoran (which is in fact the clone) is the central character. He is the one who protects Sakura, collects the feathers and through whose eyes we see the story. In the second quarter of the manga (volumes 8 to 14), Sakura (which is once again the clone!) is more and more awaken and starts being more active by helping gather the feathers (in Tornado country, Shara country, Piffle country, etc). In the third quarter of the manga (? volumes 15 to 22), real Shaoran awakens, join the initial companions, replaces in some way its clone into the journey and protects Sakura. Finally, in the last quarter of this story, it is revealed to us that there is an original Sakura and a copied Sakura. The missing puzzle pieces turn around this new character: Where is the original Sakura? What is the exact purpose of the copied Sakura? Since when was the original interchanged with its clone?
It looks like both clones are going to end up together and both originals together after all! No more need for Sakura to choose between two equally sweet heroes! Maybe the originals are going to head back to Clow while the four other companions (Kuro, Fye, cloned Shaoran, cloned Sakura) are going to stay in Nihon. And since Clamp specified that only one ?main? character will not have a happy ending, it becomes clear that its probably the bad guy, Fei Wang Reed!!
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It is funny because it is the third time Sakura dies !!! She died in a Outo … but it was only a virtual reality! Then, she died… but was able to separate her body from her soul. Know, her soul died.. or seemed to have … ?!? What can Clamp find to make clone Sakura escape once again death? I wonder…
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But she didn’t die in Outo O.o
But yeah, Sakura has died in many different ways xDDD
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I think Fei Wang’s failed creations are failed attempts to clone Yuuko. They have powers similar to hers (see: Xing Huo), and Few Wang appears to want something similar to Yuuko’s powers as the dimensional witch.
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Yuuko? I see o.o
That’s really interesting, never really thought that. They all kind of resemble her, also. We’ll see ^^
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Or is he really CCS!Syaoran and his Sakura is Sakura Kinomoto?
I think it’s unlikely. CCS!Sakura would probably have sorted out the whole mess if that had happened – she’s certainly capable of it. If he’d got kidnapped, I reckon she’d have found out.
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There are evidences proving he is and evidences proving he’s not. I keep changing my mind about him, but I know that it’s not impossible.
We’ll just have to wait and see ^^
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Hmm, well, Fei Wang Reed is pretty crafty. CLAMP is full of surprises, so I wouldn’t be surprised at anything they might try to pull in TRC. No cliche is too remote for them. ^^
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Don’t really know what to say regarding the chapters, except I hope more come out.
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I understand, everything is still very confusing, it’s too risky to come up with any theories, there’s a high chance it won’t happen xD
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um….i have this question….
WHERE did the R!Sakura come from?
with the doctor?
but then why the doctor came to them? get the feather? get the C!Sakura (the bunch of petals? )
o_0?!
Jeez this is confusing
I seriouly need the manga book rather than click on computers XD
I can’t read on computer XD
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>WHERE did the R!Sakura come from?
She’s inside a tube ever since she got cloned. So basically, she’s sleeping in the tube since Chapter 1.
>but then why the doctor came to them? get the feather? get the C!Sakura (the bunch of petals? )
Both ^^ FWR wants the body because it’s the cointainer of all the feathers they have gathered up to now.
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Thanks =D
more questions ,sorry XD
so , is that C!Sakura at the last part of ch.179? The one being carried away.
If so, coz you said the R! one is in a tube, why did she turned into a bunch of petals and then back to a human-being-form?
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That is the clone’s body ^^ The one that turned into a bunch of petals is the soul, who died ^^
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awww…Thanks chibiyuuto chan~!! (hug)
That helps a lot =D
I’m so stupid >.
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Don’t worry, anytime ^__^
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Yay~ Thank you!! &hearts
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No comments this time? XD You’re welcome ^^
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XD I didn’t have much time~
And it gets more and more confusing…It’s already hard to keep track of all the questions unanswered XD Ohkawa is evil!
the background image when Fei Wang’s tube appears is the same as of the first scene of the series, and we’ve never seen that background when Yuuko’s tube was being shown Hyu, another thing I hadn’t noticed…
Hm…Fei Wang bitches *lol* I think the same~ though what exactly failed with them then? Other than that they have no will of their own but Xing Huo…is she really completely dead? they look like normal humans..
XD I hope the clone wants revenge~
hehe~ I’m always bad with commenting ^^
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Lots of unanswered questions, that’s for sure.
I think Xing Huo is somehow special since she was always around him. Plus, she’s the only one with black clothes. The others all have white clothes.
>but Xing Huo…is she really completely dead?
I think so. Ohkawa basically needed someone to send R!Syaoran to Yuuko, and that is Xing Huo. After she did her job, Ohkawa just got rid of her xD
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Hm, yeah XDDD
Ohkawa is just cruel like that…*shakes head* but maybe there is a bit more of a backstory there~ ^^
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I think so too, at least I’m hoping to know more about her origins ^^
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Nice scoop you made up there!
>It looks like both clones are going to end up together and both originals together after all!
That’s how I feel, indeed ^___^ Which is why I’m thinking, since I finished reading that chapter, that clone will end up dying.
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Wow, thank you very much, I have been waited so long
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Welcome ^__^
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Wuo~~ Clone Syaoran is definitely mad! I want to see him lynch Fei Wang so badly! LOL
I bet he would also die in the near future… His half had already dead, he wouldn’t want to live without any purpose… *sob* Poor Clone…
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I agree that he will die in the end too, I’m betting all my money on his death xD
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My brain broke…Why didn’t I reread the story when I had more time? WHY!?
I have to reread the story again….I have too….my brain……time……
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Fei Wang’s bitches… one of them looks VERY SUSPICIOUSLY like Hokuto… don’t you think?
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Well, I was very busy the last few days, but I manage to read the Tsubasa chapters anyway.
The least we can say is that Tsubasa can be very confusing sometimes. So Sakura’soul was in the tube since chapter one, what a twist!
Who is Real!Syaoran’s Sakura? The original one of Clow country? Or is he really CCS!Syaoran and his Sakura is Sakura Kinomoto?
Well, I guess R!Syaoran’s Sakura is a Sakura he met prior his cloning, so we don’t know her yet. Unless he is CCS!Syaoran, of course. ^_~
Did Fei Wang clone Sakura’s body as well, or only her soul? If he did, and if the soul is inside the tube, where is the body?
Since he didn’t had much time for the cloning, I guess he only duplicated her soul. So now, we have a body without a soul and a soul without a body. Well, Sakura may still end up whole before the end of the series. Moreover, C!Syao seems to have keep a part of her soul turned into a sakura petal. But now, I really need some explanation about where are the limits between soul, heart and memories, because it’s all becoming very confusing. *_*
And I’m glad we saw Kyle again. Now, the only dimension travelers left to go to Nihon-koku is Subaru and Kamui. ^_^
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