The scans are not there in The Room of Requirement yet, but I decided to post my comments on Wednesdays while they are still fresh.
Watanuki and Syaoran meets inside a dream. Never thought such a thing would happen in Tsubasa but we’re good, we’re good.
Their first conversation…. revealing, pero no mucho. Since this chapter is a heavily based on dialogs, I’m gonna paste some quotes here in order to express my feelings.
The following sentences are excerpts taken from iamsocool12345-chan in here.
Are you here to say goodbye to me?
I don’t know why Watanuki went that forward… is he assuming he will disappear soon? ;_;
…..Yes. My parents explained it to me.
Your parents, Syaoran-kun? WHO are your parents? >.<" We've seen Syaoran's mom in CCS, but what about his father? Was he alive at all? And they told Syaoran in the first place… that's reasonable since I was curious myself how Syaoran knew all this stuff. Are they involved in this mess too? Did I mention already that I'm curious about them? No…?
But I can’t explain it to you now.
‘Course you can’t ¬¬ But I’m quite satisfied with his excuse.
That’s because you and I are closer to each other than anyone else.
How can that be? I’m starting to think Watanuki equals to Syaoran.
I saw someone very important to me.
Look at the eyes!!! Yasashii no mee~~
I’m sorry, but when it comes to the Watanuki/Syaoran connection I am completely clueless… One theory looks weirder than the other, I just like to watch and see everything taking shape.
Yes. As promised, after they left Celes, they were sent to Japan.
Ha! I knew it! Too much of a coincidence to land in Nihon right after Celes, right after what happened. (I shouldn’t be that proud of myself, though, that was such an easy guess XD)
The four of them made sure of that when they paid me in Infinity.
It was very dangerous for Fay to use his magic, so what they gave me was enough for both.
But did the four of them knew what they were doing? XD I’m thinking here only Yuuko knew about Nihon xD
Besides, someone else paid for them, too.
Of course. No need to mention that I’m extremely curious to know what Tomoyo paid. “a heavy price”, omg ! Her ability to see the future in her dreams?
ensure that the four of them would be able to go to Japan after Celes.
I see this sentence with 2 different meanings:
1. Landing in Japan after Celes.
2. Landing in Japan after Celes with ALL 4 of them. Is that why Mokona’s earring was created? For the sake of Tomoyo’s wish?
But we can’t just sit back and watch our nightmares come true.
Aw, loved that sentence ❤
Once it was, he hinted to Fay that he only had power enough for two people to escape.
He hinted? How exactly? O.o
In Fei Wong’s eyes, their journey was coming to its end, and the princess only needed one friend to stay by her side, be it Syaoran, Kurogane, or Fay.
So I was right about the journey coming to an end in Fei Wang’s eyes. But if Fye was the source of the magic, he couldn’t leave, and since Syaoran was supposed to get killed by Fye, in Fei Wang’s mind, did he expect Sakura to leave with…. Kurogane? O.o
It’s so confusing these visions, plans based on those visions and their true outcome… They should show somehow what vision Fei Wang had, that would be a lot easier (yeah, I’m that stupid xD)
But even the charm wasn’t enough, because Fay himself was the source of the magic, there.
Did Fei Wong dream about that, too?
About what? The charm not being enough or Fye himself getting locked up? Fei Wang surely knew Fye would not be able to leave, that was the point of the curse, right?
Fei Wong’s seen a future that has yet to come true. And people’s wishes are far stronger than that.
AKA: NOT HAPPENING! xD
So, basically, IN SPITE of a few eyes ripped off and a body or two split away from their souls, everything is still going according to Fei Wang’s plan.
I really liked this chapter because it was exactly how I expected and wanted it to be. The past 60 or so chapters have been a non-stoppable roller-coster, and it’s really nice to sit down and look back to what happened… talking about resting, next chapter only 2 weeks from now, see you there! ^^
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Fei Wong’s seen a future that has yet to come true. And people’s wishes are far stronger than that.
Slightly confused on this thought, what if the future Fei Wong saw was his wish? Wouldn’t his wish be very strong too, or is it saying everyone else’s wishes are stronger than his @.@;
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Good point… which people?
I think she means there are more people wishing for the opposite of what Fei Wang wishes?
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…..Yes. My parents explained it to me.
Your parents, Syaoran-kun? WHO are your parents? >.
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The father dying part is an anime only thing, it certainly do not appears anywhere in the manga drawn by Clamp… ^^;;
Li’s life in Hong Kong and the reason why he left in the end (saying he had ‘things to do’) are unknown…forever! ‘Cause I don’t think Clamp will say anything about it 10 years later and, as a matter of fact, I’m not even sure they even thought about it ^^;;
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Only in the anime, then?
No mention in the manga? That complicates things a bit….
>Li’s life in Hong Kong and the reason why he left in the end (saying he had ‘things to do’) are unknown…forever!
I always hated that part… it was SO random and, unlike everything else CLAMP does, unexplained.
I would love if it was due to the things related to Tsubasa. Of course, I doubt CLAMP thought about that at the time, too, but maybe they also felt unhappy about that sudden travel and decided to fit everything together very nicely.
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>In CCS it’s said that Syaoran’s father died when he was young, so that puts a little dent in my theory of those two Syaoran’s being the same….
In the manga as well?
>OR MAYBE the Sakura and Syaoran of CCS are R!Syaoran’s parents! Although that would be a bit of a streach….
I agree that it would xD I don’t think CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran have any kids at all, at least not yet…
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Well, I found some indirect proof in the manga, in the 4th volume of CCS when Sakura, Shaoran, and Tomoyo are trapped in the maze Sakura asks who is in Shaoran’s family and he says 4 sisters and his mother. His father isn’t mentioned so I’m calling that indirect proof.
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…..
Urrhhh…
Did you only read ChibiYuuto’s post…? o.O
If you did not, well, you must have read the very first line of my first post which was : “In vol04 of CCS, Syaoran simply stated ‘I was living with my mother and 4 sisters’,nothing else : we do NOT have any information about his father (or any other relative of his for that matter…) so we can’t just kill him off (‘him’=Syaoran’s dad) just because he was not mentioned…I mean, if we take CCS|Tomoyo as an example, she would answer too “I live with my mother” but that doesn’t mean her father is dead either ^^;;”
And if you did and wrote again about vol04 anyway then, mmhh…I don’t know what else to add since the previous lines of mine above pretty much answer your post anyway ^^;;
As I said, everything depends on Clamp : if they planned for TRC and CCS Syaoran to be the same, then this piece of info about his father in TRC won’t be out of place since all they would have to say was that they never said anything about his father dying in CCS…and if TRC and CCS Syaoran are not the same then…it doesn’t mean Li’s father is dead either, sorry ^^;; Such a thing as an ‘indirect’ proof is totally subjective and is not based on anything concrete…
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Yeah I’m sorry, I repiled and THEN I noticed that you had written those long posts which said and explored a lot more than I did. Just a goof up, not trying to steal your thunder or anything.
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No problem 🙂
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Maybe they (mother and father) told him when he was still very small… and something happened later like his father died or got divorced from his mother o.o
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We are so alike, when I read this chapter I immediately thought “GREAT! Let me breathe already!”, of course it left more questions in my mind than clarified things but it was a very nice chapter.
Tsubasa still holds various loose ends like Seishirou…
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That’s exactly how I felt! I wanted Yuuko explaining everything, and I still want Yuuko talking to THEM, I think they wanna hear some answers too.
>Tsubasa still holds various loose ends like Seishirou…
Yes. A lot of questions have been answered already, but the major ones are still untold.
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This chapter made me ship Syaoran/Sakura/Watanuki/Syaoran and any combination/variation of this pairing so hard. I have no regrets. 8D
Yuuko’s monologue that technically wasn’t really a monologue because she was talking to Mokona was… interesting and relatively confusing. Thought I’m very curious about Syaoran’s parents and his connection to Watanuki, I’m a bit more worried by Yuuko this chapter. She just looked so melancholy… or forlorn. I couldn’t really tell. Just. Sad.
And that makes me worried for what’s to come.
Srsly, though, I really hope the next chapter goes back to Kurogane, Fai, and Tomoyo, and we get an explanation for wtf was up with Ashura-ou once and for all, and I’d also like to know where Sakura’s body is and what condition she’s in. Because while advancing the plot forward and delving into subplots is good and all, I still feel other subplots should be finished off before we move on to another subplot-turned-mainplot arc.
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>interesting and relatively confusing
I should fix your sentence: Interesting and COMPLETELY confusing XDDDDDDDD Her speeches are always so unclear, but that’s because we don’t know the full plot.
> I’m a bit more worried by Yuuko this chapter. She just looked so melancholy… or forlorn. I couldn’t really tell. Just. Sad.
Yeah, she’s realizing that everything is going to what Fei Wang has planned… but I think she still has hope. Did you see her face when Mokona said that even though Tomoyo saw the future she could do nothing to change it. That’s exactly how Yuuko is feeling, or she’s fighting to not feel that ever. She KNOWS what is going to happen.
>and I’d also like to know where Sakura’s body is and what condition she’s in
I’m very curious about that too! She’s not near Syaoran, which is weird. Is she inside a temple? ^^”
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This whole FWR thing is really confusing… Cause I remember in some chapter, he said that Fay would have to kill Kurogane when they get to Clow country, but now Yuko says that he was planing to leave Fay in Celes anyway… so that bastard lied to Fay about that too, right? Because he was planing to get rid of him from the very start… And he wanted Syaoran to die. So, like you said, that only leaves Kurogane and Sakura, but Kurogane is Yuko’s move so this doens’t make sense! @_@
Ahh and I really wanna know what the heck is going on with Watanuki! I don’t want him to disappear…
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If I remember correctly Fei Wong didn’t want Kurogane going in the first place…He knew Yuuko was going to put in Kurogane…and thus when he attacked Kuro’s home he was planning to kill Kuro too or have him fall into a condition where he would not be able to go at all…but Kuro fell to Tomoyo’s hands as Yuuko wanted and now we have Kuro! So… >.> thus Means Fei Wong had to adjust his plan somewhere to include Kuro.
I think I’m right in all this >.>
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>Cause I remember in some chapter, he said that Fay would have to kill Kurogane when they get to Clow country, but now Yuko says that he was planing to leave Fay in Celes anyway…
Good point! I have to read that chapter again but that doesn’t sound weird to me. I do remember Fei Wang saying that they would go back to Clow Country in the end, but I don’t remember if Fye was included in that or not (I hope not, because like we’ve seen, Fye was supposed to remain at Celes)
>so that bastard lied to Fay about that too, right? Because he was planing to get rid of him from the very start…
Another good point! XD It is very likely… telling Fye his true ambitions wouldn’t make him obey to Fei Wang’s orders.
Yeah, the whole thing with Fei Wang’s plan is very confusing. It would help a lot if we could see his vision and what he really wanted things to be.
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There’s nothing like a nice exposition chapter after all that action! XD Syaoran-tachi deserve a rest after all that!
Now I’m waiting for the Watanuki/r!Syaoran fics to start popping up XD
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It’s great to have such a calm chapter indeed, I wouldn’t mind more 4 chapters with that same pattern at all XD
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ensure that the four of them would be able to go to Japan after Celes.
Just ensure that Celes was next, is all that Yuuko says.
Did Fei Wong dream about that, too?
About Fay being incapable of saving them, was all. XD Ugh, language can be so ambiguous!
I LOVE WATANUKI AND SYAORAN BEING FRIENDS. I loooove the height difference. XD Watanuki has to be, like, Syaoran’s kid or SOMETHING, what is going on!!!
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Syaoran being Watanuki’s father xD… that’s an interesting thought. But if you throw the height difference thing in that’d be odd since Watanuki is taller :b
Maybe Watanuki is another clone from Fei Wang @.@…
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XD I considered it the other way around, but am too firmly Doumeki/Watanuki for that thought to have gone very far at all. Whatever the hell they are, they are wonderful at being secret BFF. ♥ X3
Watanuki COULD be another clone! We still don’t really know too much about Xing Huo, either, so for all we know, Fei Wong’s made loads of “friends” for himself…
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I really don’t believe Watanuki is Sakura and Syaoran’s child. I don’t know, maybe because it sounds like the plot of a very cheesy soap opera xD
But yeah, I could be wrong xD
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What about the “hint”, in other translations says “suggestion” it could be an hinotic or magic suggestion so Fay believe that he only had power enough for two people to escape.
maybe a suggestion who could be place there during the putting the curse or in the moment????
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Yup – “hint at” and “suggest” are both going along the same vein here. The implication SEEMS to be that he might have had more power than that, but it’s hard to tell, since Yuuko doesn’t clear it up for us. But in any case, it’s definitely something he put across to Fay then, once the second curse had been activated. Very weird, huh?
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thanks for answer me i have a great confussion about this part because if is only a insinuation tell to Fay for FWR he could resist and revel and try to do other thing but he completely asume tthat he can’t do it!!!!
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I think… remember when Fay decides to take all them out of there? as soon as he tries to take out the third person, Kuro, he fails…. we thought was becasue Kuro didn’t want to release Fay and so he failed, but maybe was that ‘suggestion’ that made Fay fail even having enough magic for doing that…. looks like his magic ‘fails’ in that moment although he seemed convinced that he could take Kuro out…. just my guess….
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So it works sort of like a “limit”? He can let 2 people go but no more than two.
It’s a wise guess. Fei Wang surely expected Fye to let Sakura and somebody else go first.
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that too, FWR _knew_ too well Fay would try Sakura the first and so Sakura would be free for sure…. ;_;
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i think exactly the same!!! the suggestion must be more complicatyed and twisted than a simple whispering in his ear!!
and Fay always save his dauther first that is pretty obvius!!
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I was very intrigued about that hint too…
How exactly did Fei Wang hint? Back when he was telling Fye about the second curse (but didn’t Fye forget about it?) or was it while the curse was being performed (would he still believe in a word Fei Wang says?)
Or maybe the blood he coughed has anything to do with it?
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Hahahah I love when I use your quotes and you answer my questions XDDD It’s like I’m saying “You wrote it, explain yourself! XD” Well, I’m not XD But I really appreciate your answers (you know the difference when it’s something within the sentence or CLAMP’s intriguing narration ^^)
>Just ensure that Celes was next, is all that Yuuko says.
I wonder why it was so important… it can’t be just because it’s a nice place to rest after someone has lost an arm, it can’t be just that.
>I loooove the height difference. XD
What’s so lovable about the height difference? XDDDDDDDDD
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well about the chapter i really want to be one of Holic more than one of Tsubasa because i wat to see Watanuki point of vew!!
and he talk to say goodbay because the bone-boy said to him!!
Kimihiro make all the right question and Xiao don’t tell anithing BOO Booo!!!
About Yuuko, well she tell us that Clow and Fei wong make their wishes about the future both try to win against the other and no one of them win yet
Fay wong, lost the firat curse, and the second, Sakura is split and the next place was no Clow country was Nihon, and still there are four travelers so he is not doing so well i think
About the hint in other translations says suggestion was an hipnotic or magic one???
About RXiao i think the same as you, so i really start believing is the son of Li Xiao and CCSakura, CCS is a Yumeni so she could fore see what is going to happen and sent Xiao to Yuuko to make the pre pays before the kidnapping and tell him all about Watanuki and the journey???!!!!!
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I wonder if we are going to see Watanuki’s PoV in XXXHOLiC now that it has been postponed by a week =\ I will surely tell Yuuko that he met Syaoran, though.
>and he talk to say goodbay because the bone-boy said to him!!
Oh, that’s right! Thanks for reminding me. Poor boy ^^”
>About the hint in other translations says suggestion was an hipnotic or magic one???
Now, I’m thinking that Fye could let 2 people go, only. Like some kind of limit, you know?
>About RXiao i think the same as you, so i really start believing is the son of Li Xiao and CCSakura
But I don’t believe that real!Syaoran is the son of Sakura and Syaoran. I still think he IS CCS!Syaoran. We’ll see…
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wow you are the only other person i know who beleve that i’m in trouble about this but i think is no other choice than He is Li from CCS or his son, the problem is the parents thing now, because Li from CCS have only a mother, so they spoke to him when he was very litle????
but that he always name her Sakura in hiragana and with no title make thing he is Li xiao lang
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(random new person here…)
So, my friend’s theory about Syaoran and Watanuki is that Watanuki is part of Syaoran’s soul. I didn’t really think much of this (see as I’m really not up to date with xxxholic…) but after this chapter, I’m really beginning to think there might be some truth to that. Because both Syaorans were split from their soul, right? (or am I totally confused about that? this is a likely possiblity) How Syaoran knows about this, I have no clue… Maybe one of his parents was a seer?
I’m interested in is Tomoyo’s price as well. Especially because while Yuko talks about that, she’s pointing to Fai’s lovely tattoo which sits in her shop. Is this to parallel her sacrifice with Fai’s, or does she have some connection to the magic of the tattoo? It might be a streach, but that’s what came to mind…
(ok, random newperson mumble done…)
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Hello random new person! XD
Nice to meet you, ripplednell-san! Thanks for visiting and most importantly, thanks for leaving a comment ^^
Your friend’s theory is very likely… and I think it’s more pausible than Watanuki being Sakura and Syaoran’s son. Maybe, just maybe, maybe there are a few things left untold from that time when real!Syaoran split his heart in 2 and put one part inside the clone’s heart.
>Is this to parallel her sacrifice with Fai’s, or does she have some connection to the magic of the tattoo?
Humm, good point, I haven’t noticed that o.o Right now, I would say it’s only to compare her sacrifice with Fye’s.
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Sakura and Syaoran’s son… *ponders that*
And thank you for posting all this wonderful CLAMP info! it’s so hard to find stuff like this, especially if you Japanese is poor. So thank you!
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Aww, you’re welcome! It’s my pleasure! I do it because I like it, and it’s great to see that people are enjoying it, thanks! *bows* ^__^
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> My friend’s theory about Syaoran and Watanuki is that Watanuki is part of Syaoran’s soul.
That’s my current theory too, though I don’t like it much
Watanuki and Syaoran seem just too different to be part of each other…
My friend’s theory is that they are both connected simply because they were both chosen by Clow in some way to have a massive impact in changing the future. But knowing CLAMP and judging from Syaoran’s hints I think there’s probably more to the plot than this…
For now tis indeed a mystery! Curse you CLAMP and your teasing chapters and vague hints! >.
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They do seem very different don’t they…
The teasing and vague hints wouldn’t be so bad if I weren’t so impatient… >_<
Ah well… we wait and see…
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yay for chibi yuuto’s comments x3!!!!
xD ok I was so wishing for those questions to get
a PROPER answer, but oh well, that’s the way clamp works,
well I used to have one part of me thinking this was
Li Syaoran from CCS but with those magical words “my parents” that totally gave me a “NO, I’m NOT him”…but I remember he was going to say something like his name was Li Syaoran or maybe my memory is totally failing, but if that’s the case, it makes sense to think he is Kinomoto Sakura’s and Li Syaoran’s son, having his parents to tell him about it, sakura is a yumemi…and the suddenly references to Sakura and Syaoran in the XXX-Holic manga….but oh well that might be so not true xDDDDDD cause no one knows how ohkawa’s mind works x_x
and about the connection between watanuki and syaoran…I’m totally clueless about it T___T sniiiff, but we’ll be patient!! x3333
now I just hope fei wong’s wish not to come true, even if I don’t know what is he wishing for, he has made terrible…horrible things in order to make it happen….
thank you so much again!! x3
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Yay for mina-san’s comments! xDD
I’m not sure, I could be very wrong, but I don’t think Watanuki is the son of Sakura and Syaoran… even though this is in most people’s minds xD
>and the suddenly references to Sakura and Syaoran in the XXX-Holic manga….
Yeah, remember when Watanuki was cleaning Yuuko’s treasure room and he said he would love to meet the Sakura and Syaoran from that world? It would be so ironic if we find out they are actually his parents xD
>now I just hope fei wong’s wish not to come true, even if I don’t know what is he wishing for
That’s where the problem lies. We don’t know what he’s wishing for, what if it’s not a bad thing at all? XD Just because Clow and Yuuko disagrees it doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing. CLAMP characters aren’t evil per se, what happens is that we often have a conflict between two different point of views. I think Fei Wang and Clow’s case is the same.
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Why, oh, why in clamp stories people never TALK EVERYTHING!? holy…Dont you think if they had talk to each other honestly before, a lot of this mess could be avoided? So Why Syaoran keeps silent?!jeez, i hate that!!
Oh, but i´m really excited to know the real conection between syao and wata. I believed watanuki was the son of CCSakura and Li, but then Why he seems to be more…like a soul or a ghost, and RealSyao is the one with parents and real life?aww, i want to know!!
By the way, did something happen to ladydarkmoon? i hope not.
See you^-^
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>Why, oh, why in clamp stories people never TALK EVERYTHING!?
Hahahahaha it’s torturing! XD But once the series is over, everything that doesn’t make sense today will do it xD
>Dont you think if they had talk to each other honestly before, a lot of this mess could be avoided?
It depends… maybe Watanuki has to realize alone (whatever it is that he has to realize). They are fighting against a determined future, they want to change it, and it has to happen “naturally”.
>By the way, did something happen to ladydarkmoon? i hope not.
Nothing serious, at least. She’s very busy, that’s all ^^ I miss her a lot! *sends good vibes to her*
Thanks for your comments, corza-san. One day, we’ll know everthing xD
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But did the four of them knew what they were doing? XD I’m thinking here only Yuuko knew about Nihon xD
I think we have to check Yuuko’s words… is she said ‘for going where’ they were paying with the chess game money…
^____________________^
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So… did they know the next country would be Nihon or not? O.o
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no, they didn’t, what I meant is that Yuuko told the chess game prize was enough to pay to go… WHERE??? I think she omitted that part… Yuuko can’t lie but she can omit words.. I’ll check to be sure….
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Please! She said that still in Infinity, right?
God, I need to re-read everything Tokyo onwards. I’m sure I’m going to understand a lot more and I’ll be able to make better theories xD
Are you also among the ones who think Watanuki is SS’s son?
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yes, I mean in infinity, when she said the money of the game was enough ‘to travel’ but if I rememebr well she never mentioned to ‘where’ (now we know was Nihon)… and then she added that Fay had to use his magic to go to Celes!!! that was enough….
Are you also among the ones who think Watanuki is SS’s son?
I don’ think about that XDDD I think Watanuki is another clone like Clonie… one of Clow..
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I see!!! What a tricker! xD
>I don’ think about that XDDD
Good xD because I don’t really believe it either…
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Let us now take the time to fix our brains, since CLAMP has broken them again.
But if Fye was the source of the magic, he couldn’t leave, and since Syaoran was supposed to get killed by Fye, in Fei Wang’s mind, did he expect Sakura to leave with…. Kurogane?
> Fei Wong needed Kurogane to cross dimensions to protect Sakura, but didn’t Yuuko mess Fei Wong up at some point? That’s why he refers to Kurogane as the “Witch’s piece” right?
At least CLAMP didn’t leave us at a cliffhanger before the break – even the Tsubasa gang gets some respite.
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From what I could understand, Kurogane wasn’t in Fei Wang’s plans…
He saw in a dream that Yuuko would take Kurogane as her pawn, and Fei Wang “acted” to prevent that (by killing his mother… some say he intended to kill Kurogane afterwards).
But then Yuuko saw even further, and contacted Tomoyo and everything.
But it’s very confusing, I’m not 100% sure of what I just told you ^^” All I know is that Fei Wang didn’t consider Kurogane as Sakura’s bodyguard AT FIRST.
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Now, everything depends pretty much on Clamp : if they have decided from the start that the Syaoran from Tsubasa and CCS are the same person, seeing how both their pasts are a total mystery to us, they could make up any story they want and makes it matches however they wants, even changing the view we had of CCS…You know? It would be just like a same story but related in 2 different points of view, that would be fun ^_^
Clamp did say in an interview that the idea of making mangas connected and with tons of crossover was a dream and a project they had for a very long time but, sincerely, I do not know if they thought about it before or after CCS o.O
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Sorry for all those posts ^^;;
The things is, in Clamp No Kiseki 10, Clamp said that when Chobits finished (2002),Tsubasa already existed (so let’s say TRC was born in Clamp’s mind between 2001 and 2002). CCS vol12 was released in 2000 in Japan. So, yeah, there’re *at most* a maximum of between 1 and 1.1/2 years between CCS’ end and Tsubasa’s creation.
Though I don’t know if it got any special meaning o.O
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If you allow me to comment, I think that your arguments are pretty well reasoned, but the truth is that if R!Syaoran and CCS!Syaoran actually will prove to be the same person, it will leave us with a HUGE plot hole that I don’t think mendable: in the very end of volume 12 of CCS, when Syaoran returns from HK and meets Sakura, Sakura asks him: “So… I don’t have to settle for letters or phone calls anymore?” and Syaoran answers: “Not anymore.” I suppose you haven’t missed it (as you seem to be proning over this matter as much as I do ^w^}, but to be honest, this is the very reason why I don’t believe them to be the same person, because I personally don’t find this explicable by any means {I just can’t imagine Syaoran sending letters or phoning from the tube. x3)
I think this is a crucial argument AGAINST the theory that they are the same person, and I’ve yet to hear an equivalent counterargument that will persuade me differently.
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As I said severals times, in the case Clamp decides (ore more like decideD *past stance* since they always start creating their stories from the End…) that TRC and CCS Syaoran are the same one (which is yet to be proven…), they will definitely found a way to sort it all out, BUT! The phone and letters are the ONE killer element against which no one can’t say anything no matter what…until recently, when Clamp added up…the DREAM factor!
Of course, the phone calls and letter’s argument is perfect as long as it’s REAL, but if (I said IF) Clamp planned for CCS|Syaoran to be TRC|Syaoran, they can do anything they want with this dream thing! They can say that THIS thing was real while THAT thing was a dream any way they want. And there could be even more to it! –> CCS’ end could only be one ‘version’ of the future, there could be severals futures or whatever!
My point : I’m not saying the letter and phones calls things is wrong, definitely not, but that finding a reasonable explanation to it is possible –> the dream factor is one possible explanation and it can erase every single plot holes.
I’m more then conscious that there’re as many plot holes as stars in the sky going against TRC|Syao=CCS|Syao…but there’re also many that proves it might be right and that got no explanation either (how would you explain that TRC|Syao is CCS|Clow Reed blood relative? *for example* or what is the use of Holic and CCS worlds to be he same one? *another example* or why is TRC|Syao so *excessively* alike his CCS counterpart? *if you look at all the other crossovers we got so far, none had so many things in common as those 2 do*…etc…)
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Hahahaha I love your arguments.
It’s one big mystery that will have to be revealed until the end of the series, which is not that far.
I would personally love if CCS and Real were the same Syaoran. For many reasons, like for the fact that I wasn’t happy with the way CCS ended, and because it would be cool XD
It’s too weird to think this is a THIRD Syaoran…. plus, all the evidences, like the Li family’s symbol.
Anyway… about the letters and phonecalls, I agree with you that, if Real!Syaoran really is CCS!Syaoran, CLAMP will definitely find a way to sort that out.
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I feel the same : while having three Syaoran is not impossible, I always felt it was too much, too ‘heavy’…?
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Wow, the dream factor idea is pretty good! I confess I haven’t considered that yet at all (to tell the truth, it’s been a while since I last gave a really profound thought to all the Syaoran bussiness… Since the Celes arc started, actually @_@) The thing with several futures might be right, too, actually I & my friend considered Watanuki being (whatever) Syaoran and Sakura’s possible future child just a few days ago (everybody prays he doesn’t disappear = their possible happy future doesn’t disappear… He doesn’t know the faces of his parents, because it’s still obscure if they will ever be his parents… Even Yuuko wishes for a certain future, and she always makes such mysterious faces and remarks when it comes to S&S or Watanuki’s parents…) So I think that this argument is not bad at all! loll
I think that the dream factor could work as the one and ultimate explanation and all-plot-holes filler very well. It could actually erase even all the plainly logical reasons why R!Syaoran just can’t be CCS!Syaoran (even though it WOULD BE a little faciliating). R!Syao and CCS!Syao being both blood relatives of a single Clow Reed definitely is suspicious (there have always been more suspicious things about Clow Reed, anyway x3).
I’m still not sure about the counterparts argument, though. Do we really have a proof that TRC!Sakura and CCS!Sakura are THAT different? How important role in creating a personality can social background play, and what about the feathers? Personally, I do not think that they are entirely the same, but in the very beginning of the story, Sakura (still in possesion of her memories) actually does behave and speak just the same as CCS!Sakura (save all the princess-like “oniisama”). About the other characters, they didn’t have enough “screen time” to be judged objectively. But you’re right, it is strange. The only two characters who seem to behave and speak absolutely the same in both series are R!Syaoran and Clow (while Syaoran has even proved to have the very same magic as his CCS counterpart).
Well, I’m really wondering who will be right and who will be wrong in the end. But I’m sure that evil Ohkawa will surprise us all! x3
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Well, they are not called ‘counterparts’ for nothing : of, course, they are very alike ^^;;
My points by using this argument is that in all the crossover we witnessed with othre Clamp characters, we always *easily* find a clear difference with their others selves in their original manga; example : Ryuho in RGVeda is a King and one of the ‘stars’ destined to fight alongside Ashura, while in TRC he was either a game player in Adonis or a race participant in Piffle. Touya is a normal teenager in CCS (with powers that he end up giving to Yue) while he is a King in Clow Country. Yukito is only the human camouflage of Yue in CCS while it’s not only his original form in Clow Country but he is also a powerful priest and magician…etc…
There is no clear and obvious difference between the 2 Syaoran like there’s in the others cases, we would have to say : CCS|Syaoran is a talented fighter and magician wielding a chinese sword and is Clow Reed’s blood relative while TRC|Syaoran, well, he is a talented fighter and magician wielding a chinese sword and is Clow Reed’s blood relative o.O
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Yo, Chibi-Yuuto! Oh gosh, I think this chapter was so all strange to me… @___@ Just when Watanuki was asking the question about their connection, what does Syaoran do? Well, he said that he heard it from his father and mother. However… he just has to leave us with suspense of saying that now is not the time to tell him everything!! O___o NOES!! *slams fist* WHY, Syaoran!? Why the suspense of guessing who you are and the connection with Watanuki!?
Ahh… the famous CLAMP climax or so it seems… -___- Dang, now I have that song “Who Are You?” from the group The Who stuck on my head… XDDD
As for the Yuuko scenes, this was the part that make me so darn brain-fried!! UWAAA!! *points to icon* I would understand more clearly is Yuuko stop playing her famous “Guess what she is saying about the future?” game.
>It’s so confusing these visions, plans based on those visions and their true outcome… They should show somehow what vision Fei Wang had, that would be a lot easier (yeah, I’m that stupid xD)
Awh, Chibi-Yuuto… don’t beat yourself up like that. You’re not such a baka. *pats his shoulder* I appreciate that you are trying to explain us and that would be nice if they would’ve showed us that.
>talking about resting, next chapter only 2 weeks from now, see you there! ^^
Darn straight, this give a chance to have my brain refreshed and hoping that after 2 weeks it will be such a promising chapter!! It better be a good chapter, CLAMP!! *gets skeptical at the CLAMP ladies*
Ne, arigatou gozaimasu for your chapter commentary reports. It seems that I did my best to understand this chapter overall – regardless of still being brain-fried from it. @____@ *faints* Great job with the commentary! XDDD
Ki o tsukete, Chibi-Yuuto!
Nyanko-san ^__^
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I’m intrigued with the parents thing >_You’re not such a baka.
But sometimes I feel like such, honestly XDDDD I mean, in the end, we’ll see that it wasn’t so hard to guess, it’s just the WAY they show it that is complicated! Yeah, of course, that is one of the reasons why I love CLAMP XD If they were so predictable it would be so boring to read their stories ^^” But I wish I could guess more accurately.
Thanks for your comment, Moko-chan! Always a pleasure ^^
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whoops, thought the break was this week. off to go loiter in a combini…i:ve gotten so good at it…except when i laugh out loud, then people look at me like i:m a freak.
damn fei wong and his plans, that:s what i say.
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