Early scans can be found at MangaHelpers!
I know I haven’t written anything for the past 3 or so chapters of TRC/XXXHOLiC, sorry about that! But I’ll try to summarize my comments from the past chapters as well.
About the Sakura and Syaoran from the tube not being CCS!Sakura+Syaoran:
TWIST OVER THE TWIST, OMFG KASHJKASHJKLASHJKAS
LOL!
I always thought those chinese outfits looked too suspicious. And it also solves the plot-holes that I’ve been wondering since Chapter 189 when we found out Jr. was supposedly the son of CCS!Sakura and Syaoran:
Speaking of that, I couldn’t help to wonder about certain things that right now look like serious plot-holes. For example, if “Syaoran” is 7 years old already, then that means CCS!Sakura was pregnant 8 years before that scene took place. Considering CCS’s time-line, is that possible? Not to mention that back in the early XXXHOLiC chapters, Yuuko said the original Clow staff belonged to a “little girl”. Little girl who has a 7 year old son?
Thanks CLAMP for clearing that up. Even though adding a NEW pair of Sakura and Syaoran might end up making things a bit more confusing, at least you avoided CCS plotholes.
As many of you people, I couldn’t understand either why the staff is so important for chinese!Sakura. But what a hell of a trick that staff was. It was the ultimate proof that CCS!Sakura was Jr.’s mother. Oh, CLAMP, LOL.
Okay, so a few explosions later, let’s talk about this chapter.
Call me stupid but I don’t get what’s so OMG about Clow passing on his powers to Syaoran. First of all, it was to chinese!Syaoran, right? Jr.’s father? It’s a bit confusing.
I just saw this freaking brilliant and twisted theory that the “parents” could actually be the clones! I don’t know much about it, but it would fit perfectly? I could totally see CLAMP doing this.
We would have one less pair of Sakura and Syaoran, they would be the ones from the opening scene, and the heroes saying the day would actually be the main characters of the series.
If that turns out to be the case, I think the scene with Yuuko in the dream with cloney is directly related to it (it might be then that Clow’s powers will be given to him. CONSIDERING THE THEORY HE IS DADDY SYAORAN, of course).
If that turns out to NOT be the case, CLAMP better find a good fitting explanation for this extra new pair of Sakura and Syaoran. Mind you, I think they are looking too much Deus ex machina.
I think it would be cool, and it would fall under Ohkawa’s twists category, lol.
IN ANY CASE, regardless of all theories, it seems like there’s a light at the end of the tunnel for the clones’ fans?
By the way, next chapter only on May 13th! I don’t know how they are gonna do since Chapter 220 is supposedly from volume 27.
Either volume 27 release date will be delayed, or
Volume 27 will have less pages than usual (around 160), or
Chapter 220 will be published on May 13th and compiled in volume 27 two days later on May 15th.
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I’m kind of almost giving up with TRC. I haven’t been able to tell who’s who, or how many version of each person exists in like months and I’m getting pretty sick of it :S I don’t see any point all the clones and doubles, it’s starting to look just gimmicky and bad writing. There better be a damn good explanation.
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I’m getting sick too :S And this is coming from someone who loves CLAMP above all.
This is just insane, I can’t wait to see it finished already.
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Yeah. I’m a big fan of CLAMP, but I feel they’ve really gone too far with these twists. I also really hope CCS!Sakura and Syaoran would have been a part of this story, it would have tied it all together better and made the whole story more meaningful.
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But if Clone Sakura/Syaoran are Mummy and Daddy then that makes Syaoran his own father…
*brain breakage*
I must admit, it was my first thought, too. But how can Clone!Syaoran be TRC!Syaoran’s father? Also, TRC!Syaoran really WOULD be in love with his own mother…
*more brain breakage*
But I LOVE CLAMP xA GAZZILLION FOR CLONEY BEING ALIVE!!! AND MAYBE CLONE SAKURA, TOO!!!
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That’s gettng a little crazy there. Remember, TRC!Syaoran is the son of the Mom!Sakura and Dad!Syaoran. The Clone Syaoron/Sakura are not the parents, just copies of TRC!Sakura and TRC!Syaoran. But TRC!Syaoran mentioned in earlier chapters that he’s taken his father’s name upon his father’s request. And TRC!Sakura mentioned in a “possesed” state that her name wasn’t Sakura.
…. Got all that?
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His own father? How come?
It makes real!Syaoran the son of the clones (Sakura and Syaoran) O.o
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But if Clone!Syaoran is a clone of Real!Syaoran then he’s got the same DNA structure as Real!Syaoran. Which mean Clone!Sakura would have disrupted the DNA and changed Real!Syaoran which would then create a paradox…
*brain breakage*
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The clones being the parents theory sounds confusing. Where’d you come across that if I may ask?
May 13th? Jeeze. I hope it’s not like that for xxxholic. I really hope they don’t delay the new volume. That or maybe they will already have had chapter 220 finished before it is to be published in the magazine and put together with the volume before it comes out two days later. I’m sure it takes more than two days to have a book put together and thousands of copies printed and ready to be sold. Either way, it all sounds pretty messed up.
But I am hoping for chapter 220 maybe we’ll have a color splash page and maybe a couple of color pages, like you see with Bleach and other manga like that after a three week long break.
At this point, I think it’s best we just trust CLAMP that they’re going to pull it off as they always do. At least we know we’ll have a volume 28 starting right after it.
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I got it from , I don’t wanna take all the credits XD
I think it’s a little crazy, but WHAT in Tsubasa is not crazy lately. It could be possible if you think well.
I’m not sure about color pages for Chapter 220, the magazine doesn’t mention anything, and they usually do.
>At least we know we’ll have a volume 28 starting right after it.
That’s right. Hopefully the last.
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I meant above ^ xD
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I really don’t buy the idea that the clones are the originals’ parents, BUT I am quite certain that I may yet be wrong. I don’t have any brilliant evidence to refute your idea other than that the clones weren’t featured on the deluxe covers until very late in the series (the Shaoran and Sakura on vol. 1 and 2 are the originals, the clones are 23 and 24), and the transitions in this chapter (219) don’t seem to suggest an identity between them: the focus in the transition from the fight to the dream is on Yuuko, not on any of the Shaorans.
Totally subjective, I admit, and that’s all I’ve got.
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It was just an insight, you know? xD I would be happy if that was the case. I prefer 3 pairs of S+S than 4.
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wow,the new theory as theclonesbeing the parents its soo confusing to me now… I have to assume this, *brain breakage* Soo, if i had understand this, C!Syaoran is R!Syaoran’s father? Wow, now i see why he said to R!Sakura “you look like my mother” wow CLAMP you confuse me one more time, but i love you *O*!
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Well, but his mom is Sakura regardless of being the clone or not. So his mom would always look like Sakura ^^
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I’m totally lost @_@
Somehow i understand your theory, but it would be so strange if that’s the case, but more easy to understand with only 2 sakuras a 2 xiaos xD…right? c_c
*brain damage…too*
t..thank you, chibiyuuto
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I’m totally lost too, if that makes you feel any better. CLAMP is pushing the sanity edge here, please put an end to this madness xD
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…wut? is there a simpler way to explain wtf is going on? i am so confused and lost xD
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I will not try too hard to understand what’s happening, because I don’t understand xDDDD
But when everything’s over I might do a post explaining everything, if necessary.
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please ;O; … srsly 😛
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I applaud you with the whole theory making strenght, I have resigned to my own brain death and am just reading as it goes.
Thank you, as usual, for the update.
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I don’t wanna take the credits for something that I did not make. I saw the theory in ‘s journal and it caught my attention.
>I have resigned to my own brain death and am just reading as it goes
You’re wise.
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The scene with Syaoran Jr.’s father going “Don’t distract me.” was awesome. It’s a strange how even with the same appearence, CLAMP manages to make Jr. and his father distinct from just their expressions and words alone. ^_^
The amount of Sakuras is still confusing me. So Jr.’s mom isn’t CCS!Sakura and is the girl that Jr.’s mother saw in the dream is CCS!Sakura? The staff was important to Jr.’s mom, so does that mean she had it once before and is receiving a different one from the girl? So confused…
Yeah, I don’t get the OMG of Clow passing his powers to Syaoran either. Besides, Jr. is “the descendant of Clow” (as FWR always calls him) and if CCS!Sakura and CCS!Syaoran are his parents, it’s not too surprising to me, given that Sakura is the successor to Clow’s magical legacy and Li Syaoran is Clow’s descendent.
If the “parents” are clones too, maybe Jr.’s parents are just using the bodies then in order stop FWR when the time came? WHERE ARE THEIR REAL BODIES THEN?
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>It’s a strange how even with the same appearence, CLAMP manages to make Jr. and his father distinct from just their expressions and words alone. ^_^
That’s something I have to bow for, too!
>So Jr.’s mom isn’t CCS!Sakura and is the girl that Jr.’s mother saw in the dream is CCS!Sakura?
Correct!
>The staff was important to Jr.’s mom, so does that mean she had it once before and is receiving a different one from the girl? So confused…
I have no idea.
>Besides, Jr. is “the descendant of Clow”
If the “clones being the parents” theory is right, Sakura was the daughter of King Clow, right? Her clone technically is a descendant of Clow too. Therefore, R!Syaoran is also blood-related to Clow. LOL
>WHERE ARE THEIR REAL BODIES THEN?
Omg, as if worring about copies and originals wasn’t enough, we have to worry about body and souls too? Seriously CLAMP, put an end to this! XD
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“The scene with Syaoran Jr.’s father going “Don’t distract me.” was awesome. It’s a strange how even with the same appearence, CLAMP manages to make Jr. and his father distinct from just their expressions and words alone. ^_^”
I used to think that R!Syaoran has the hottest look of all the “syaorans” ever. But Daddy Syaoran totally threw me off! His composure made me fell for him instead! The Syaorans are getting hotter and hotter!
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Do you have another link for the scans? My computer keeps shutting down the page because of an error.
It’s pretty cool that the next chapter is on my birthday too.
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Nevermind, I found a download link. For those who want to use it, it’s here:
http://www.mediafire.com/?ojmnnttqyy4
And… Holy Shat! Translation! HERE! HERE!
http://starlady38.livejournal.com/208213.html
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Thank god you found it! I was too late, but glad to see you found another link ^^
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D: these theories are too difficult for my little brain to comprehend. Imma just wait for my happy ending and call it a series. rofl. ;_;
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You do the right thing. Too much theories can make us lose sight of the real plot. Just read and see what happens ^^
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lol! I thought about the clones being TRC!Syaoran’s parents too~ That’ll explain why the dad and son look exactly alike even in “soul form”~ But then how are TRC!Syaoran and Watanuki related to Clow by blood?
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>But then how are TRC!Syaoran and Watanuki related to Clow by blood?
Sakura is the daughter of King Clow, right? Her clone technically is a descendant of Clow too. Therefore, R!Syaoran is also blood-related to Clow. LOL
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R!Syao says it’s his dad who’s related to Clow Reed, though.
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The whole thing confuses me. =@.@=
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It’s just… crazy xD Your icon is appropriate xD
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I know! One second you understand what’s going on, and then the next it’s like “Wait, what just happened?”
LoL, thanks. XD
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Your thoughts are VERY mind-blowing indeed [especially just reading your theory is just enough to cause brain-dead >
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>because Clone|Syaoran is a being cloned from son|Syaoran, if he wasn’t cloned up by FWR… then son|Syaoran wouldn’t exist o__o
I KNOW! I considered that too. It’s crazy! But it’s possible in a really twisted time loop XD How can the son be the “original copy” of the father? LOL
>that would reminded me of “Egg or Chicken?? Which one came first??”
Exactly!
About my “considering CCS’s timeline”, there isn’t indeed an official timeline or anything. But I consider CCS to take place in modern-Japan, during its publishing period. In other words, I believe it takes place in late 90s, early 2000s (due to modern elements in the story like video-games, cellphones, cars, etc). So from the end of CCS until XXXHOLiC (which I also believe takes place in modern-Japan), only a few years must have passed.
And this line of thought, for me, was somehow proved to be right when mama!Sakura met a 14 year old CCS!Sakura. Because according to my counts, that’s how she must be looking like TODAY.
CCS ended when Sakura was 12 I think, 6th grade, and just a few years must have passed, making her still in her teens.
In any case, since XXXHOLiC and CCS takes place in the SAME universe, it’s hard to think that from CCS’s end to XXXHOLiC, more than 10 years have passed, don’t you think?
Actually, before finding out Jr.’s parents were NOT CCS!S+S, I used to believe they sent Jr. from the future. Same world, but from the future, because that time difference never made sense to me, CCS!Sakura being mom way too soon.
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Nadeshiko had Touya when she was like 17 so there’s nothing really stopping CCS!Sakura from having a kid at that age. Which means that when she sent her son off to Yuuko she could have been about 24 or 25. Guestimating against EVERYONE else who lives in that dimension. Kobato showed us granny lives in her new house which means Kobato takes place during or a bit after Holic….which showed us the Green Drugstore (as did Kobato). And to throw us off even more, Touya was working in front of the Green Drugstore in kobato, which makes it sound like one of his part time jobs from high schools… I quit. Bed time for me. >..< i had forgotten he had existed in Clow Country. *dies*
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>> In any case, since XXXHOLiC and CCS takes place in the SAME universe, it’s hard to think that from CCS’s end to XXXHOLiC, more than 10 years have passed, don’t you think?
It is not too hard to think as such ^^;; Even in the “real world”, we are living in currently… There are not much differences [other than computer technology I suppose] for our daily life and surrounding like if we look at what we have currently in like 2009 with like 1998.
And again, we are making the assumption that THE CCS|Sakura that mama|Sakura seen in her dream is the “present” time. If your theory can have time distortion of making “Clone|Syaoran somehow is son|Syaoran’s father when we considered that HE was originally cloned up from son|Syaoran who is an existence that wouldn’t of exist without Clone|Syaoran”… then it can very much possible that CCS|Sakura’s past self through dreamseeing power to be appearing as herself with her future self.
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>> since I still don’t consider that as much of having plotholes
what about the “the same existance as i, from another world” line? how do you explain that? ccs sakura doesn’t live in the dream world. and it’d already been established that they’d met in a dream. so, it can’t be that what she’s referring to.
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When I read that bit… I am thinking along the line of it could mean that the “different world” will be like a “past” and “present” world. Sort of like Shara and Shura in which they are the SAME country except they are in the different timeline.
IF son|Syaoran|mother is NOT equal to CCS|Sakura then when teen|Sakura is talking to adult|Sakura, why would she say it as “This is your precious item, isn’t it?” Which would mean that THIS power or item (star staff) do not only below to herself but at the same time also belong to adult|Sakura too [probably at one point]. It wouldn’t be “YOURS” if is never something that once belong to you. In which, Yuuko has mentioned once in xxxholic something like “the ONLY star ward that exist” which I wouldn’t think there are duplicated ward owned by alternative|Sakura from a different dimensions.
And the “lent” power, I am thinking it as sort of like after son|Syaoran|mother gave the star staff to Yuuko as the price for her son to travel to Clow Country… her “past self” through dream travel to meet with her “future self” to give the power “back” to help with the situation.
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but shura and shara were different worlds. in this case, the past & present wouldn’t have a reason to be different. it’d just be mother sakura’s past life, and therefore there would be no reason for her to refer to that as a “different world”. “the same existance, in a different world” seems a pretty clear way to refer to the alternative universe versions of characters.
my own explanation for that line is that either the speech bubble is actually wrong, and should’ve been pointing to mother sakura instead (think of the dialogue in that scene, it’d work, sakura then says it’ll be okay because she’s got the cards), or that we’re simply misinterpreting the phrase. in any case, i think that clinging to that one confusing line while ignoring one as clear as the “from another world” line is, is nothing but wishful thinking.
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>> but shura and shara were different worlds.
That IS my point… they were different worlds… but at the same time, they are the same world but just in different timeline. Considering what happen when Syaoran only made a slight comment to bury Ashura & Yasha together in Shura (the past), it made a DRAMATIC different in Shara (the present) afterward.
Well, despite it is a “past self”… her “past self” somehow would be appearing as a co-existence in order for them to meet. the “different world” of the past would meet with the “different world” of the present.
Well, alternative version characters are refer as “same people in different world”… NOT “same existence”
Just as… Watanuki continue to be refer as the rare existence… I believe there’s a distinct different between “same existence” and “same soul but different people”
or if according to cnet it is “the one from another world who is the same as me”… in which I think “same as me” would be different than “same appearance”
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>> either the speech bubble is actually wrong, and should’ve been pointing to mother sakura instead (think of the dialogue in that scene, it’d work, sakura then says it’ll be okay because she’s got the cards),
IF son|Syaoran|Sakura is really an alternative Sakura. Then she should know nothing about CCS|Sakura… if she “supposely” ask CCS|Sakura, “isn’t this a precious item to you”; While CCS|Sakura response as “Even without the staff, the cards will still be right here”
That to me, seems like CCS|Sakura “expect” alternative|Sakura to know what that star staff is and as well that alternative|Sakura KNEW “what the cards CCS|Sakura is referring to is”!?
And which that would go back to the question how would alternative|Sakura know such things from CCS|Sakura?? [and even more, how would she know how to use that star staff o__O upon just receiving it from CCS|Sakura, it is not like she has a “star ward Manuel” she can follow!?]
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remember that the original dialogue doesn’t say “the cards”, it’s read as “everyone”. so, mother sakura didn’t have to know what she was referring to.
and why would she have to know how to use the staff? all she did was hand it over to yuuko.
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Um… then how do you explain how alternative|Sakura is able to use CCS|Sakura’s magic?? o__O It would be even harder to believe if alternative|Sakura usage of CCS|Sakura’s magic didn’t come from the “star staff she got”. And which the purpose for the whole significant for CCS|Sakura’s meeting up with alt|Sakura is to give her the staff, so that she can just passed it down to Yuuko as JUST a pass-around good as a price >___> What’s so important about that star staff to alt|Sakura then??
Especially if we consider that when giving a price to Yuuko, it certainly would be something that’s special to that person and which it would involve as a equivalent trade!! While the star staff is only given to alt|Sakura by another random Sakura to her. The price she is “paying” for her son to travel to Clow Country seems more like something that is merely pay FOR her!! Both alt|Sakura and her son didn’t pay any price then x_____X
I certainly wouldn’t believe that CCS|Sakura’s “unique” magic which is passed on initially from Clow Reed from his Clow Staff & Clow Card… and that the whole CCS series which is dedicated for building her very own Sakura Power through transformation of each card herself.
THAT magic is just something that is “accessible” to just some random alternative|Sakura in a different dimension.
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why does the staff explain that? she gave it up. so if she can use the same magic as ccs sakura, it’s not because of the staff itself. and if giving up the staff meant giving up the magic itself, then ccs sakura wouldn’t have mentioned the cards, either. they’d be dead if the magic of their owner was gone.
why can’t the magic be accessible to some other sakura? she’s certainly special enough to be fighting to save the multiverses. her son himself has screwed up a bunch of dimensions because of his wish. so that she would get special powers doesn’t seem strange to me at all.
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I am curious to know who are you? because as an anon, you are quite fast in reacting to my replies
Um… are you listening to your argument?? What is the basic fundamental regarding “same soul but different person”?? THEY DO NOT have the same life, power as the others.
Tomoyo :
(1) Tomoyo from Nihon have dreamseeing and magic power
(2) Tomoyo from CCS have ZERO magic power
(3) Tomoyo from Piffle world have ZERO magic power
Kamui:
(1) TRC|Kamui is a VAMPIRE
(2) X|Kamui is a a powerful esper whose destiny is to decide whether the world should be destroyed or not
Subaru:
(1) TRC|Subaru is a VAMPIRE
(2) TB|X|Subaru is a onmyōji
I am not going to list EVERY SINGLE character differences behind CLAMP’s idea of “Same soul but different people” [if you want more reference just look it up in Wiki for cross-references different between the character in different series]
CCS|Sakura’s magic is unique to herself BECAUSE she wasn’t BORN with those magical power [maybe being the dreamseer, yes]. Those are practically passed on to her FROM Clow Reed!! When the initial magic power is appointed to her as part of Clow Magic [thus, she can use those Clow Card]; and which after she is appointed as the card mistress… Clow helped and changed her Clow Staff into Star Staff that will let her build her very own Sakura Power with each transformed card she made.
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And the ONLY reason why her son himself has screwed up a bunch of dimension to start with WAS because SHE told him about this “someone is waiting for you” dream. AND WHICH, she is ALSO the one who paid the price with CCS|Sakura’s star staff to Yuuko. So that her son can start his journey of SCREWING UP dimension then -___-
I mean why in the world would CCS|Sakura gave her the star staff to START with IF she already know that would cause alt|Sakura’s son to be able to travel to Clow Country which START this “mess-up journey that will distort all time and dimension then”.
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there’re characters who share weapons and magic with their originals. go check that wiki article.
and sakura was born with powers. that’s why she was able to open the book. kero says that to her in the very first chapter. her power then grows and changes, and she learns to use it, but that doesn’t mean she wasn’t born with it.
i pointed out what syaoran did not because i was criticizing him, it’s just a way to show that both her and her son are “special”.
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We can even say CCS|Sakura is unique and different from different dimension Sakura BECAUSE her father is a person who only exist due to the split soul of Clow Reed directly. As Kero have questioned in CCS about Sakura’s power!? It certainly make sense why Li Syaoran has magical power because he is a direct descendant of Clow Reed. But what about Sakura, she (before it was explained) has no relation with Clow Reed and yet her power is stronger than Syaoran.
Clow Reed, I would believe is the “one” person who exist in CCS|World in which he proceed to do the split soul which “Eriol and Fujitaka” in CCS|World came into existence. I do not believe there exist another Clow in another dimension that have the SAME POWER as Clow Reed and which the “other” Clow somehow also do the same thing for the existence of different Sakura in different dimension >__>
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are you trying to argue that li’s relation to clow reed is closer than sakura’s?
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Okay… I admit yesterday it was 3am when I made that comment… and I put in a wrong statement when I said “Li syaoran is a direct descendant of Clow Reed” …. It should be “Li Syaoran is a distance relative to Clow Reed”. [which is still a descendant of some sort to Clow]
But my point still stay for what Kero was questioning on [before he knew the truth] about “Why Sakura would have the power to use/control Clow Magic?? And especially even more powerful than Li Syaoran… when Li is the one who is actually related to Clow Reed!?”. It is certainly hinted throughout CCS that the reason why CCS|Sakura is somehow born with that power is certainly related to her father is half a split soul from Clow Reed. [and that Clow Reed has intended since the beginning to gradually pass his power and helped her develop her own “star power” to CCS|Sakura as she became the card mistress]
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that’s what i was saying before, because you said sakura hadn’t been born with that power. what was your point?
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(Seriously, who are you? do I know you somewhere? Why are you responding me as an anon?)
you were saying : why can’t the magic be accessible to some other sakura? she’s certainly special enough to be fighting to save the multiverses.
When you say “She”… you are referring to ALL Sakura across all different dimension -___- which is certainly NOT remotely the idea of “same soul but different people”.
The only she you can say “as special enough” to have her own “Star magic power” would only be exclusive to CCS|Sakura… as the reason I have listed above with : It is certainly hinted throughout CCS that the reason why CCS|Sakura is somehow born with that power is certainly related to her father is half a split soul from Clow Reed. [and that Clow Reed has intended since the beginning to gradually pass his power and helped her develop her own “star power” to CCS|Sakura as she became the card mistress]
Magic, dreamseeing and special power are certainly not something you can just pass around to different alternative self in different dimension. That dimension self BORN, OWN and DEVELOPED that power since the beginning him/herself.
Just as I stated like Tomoyo : Tomoyo-hime has Dreamseeing power, that certainly is not something that is “accessible” to say CCS|Tomoyo or Piffle|Tomoyo. Just as Clow|Sakura have dreamseeing power and some unique hidden power within her BUT that doesn’t mean CCS|Sakura ALSO share that unique hidden power to remember/engrave the memory of dimension -_____- And Clow|Sakura certainly don’t have the power of “Star Magic” as CCS|Sakura.
You may say MAYBE there’s another dimension Sakura that is remotely similar to CCS|Sakura that she as well share the same life but unless it is suggesting that there’s ALSO another Clow Reed in that dimension who is doing the SAME thing as CCS|Clow Reed [splitting his soul in half and then ALSO passing his Clow Magic to that version of Sakura and which she ALSO through some way develop the same power the same way as CCS|Sakura with her “Star Magic power”]; That’s pretty much impossible to have an alt|Sakura who share such power as CCS|Sakura.
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>> I mean why in the world would CCS|Sakura gave her the star staff to START with IF she already know that would cause alt|Sakura’s son to be able to travel to Clow Country which START this “mess-up journey that will distort all time and dimension then”.
Sorry, I realized this statement get a bit extreme since this is still a mystery that CLAMP hasn’t answered yet…
that probably involve a reason despite all the hardship that happen in the TRC series. Maybe it is just too essential for TRC|Sakura not to die ^^;;
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Intersting theory Part 1
chibiyuuto just spoted an intersting theory about the clones could be Syaoran Jr.’s parent. (Honestly, I’d never realize that if you didn’t figure out)
It was really an intersting theory. And I give you a vote for that. If it were true then Ohkawa was so anwsome.
First, I realize that what Fei Wang needs is only Sakura’s body (both bodies of the Clone!Princess Sakura and the Little!Princess Sakura in the cut of time)
So the question is where’s their souls? (Clone!Princess Sakura and the Little!Princess Sakura)
Before, Fei Wang said after he created the Clone!Princess Sakura from Princess Sakura that we knew in Vol 1, her original body fell apart and disappeared.
Assuming that the soul of Princess Sakura goes to the Dream World where Yuuko is, the original body of Princess Sakura would return to her soul.
Btw, the soul and memories of Clone!Princess Sakura became flower petals which means it disappeared right?
I like the way Yuuko and CLAMP set up “because you are a created thing,
You do not die, but merely disappear”
So it means the Sakura lying in the last page of this chapter is the Princess Sakura that we knew in Vol 1 originally in both her soul and body. The Sakura that spent her time with the Clone!Syaoran in Vol1.
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Intersting theory Part 2
Second, as I try to sort of how many Syaoran & Sakura are there. I finally get through. There’re 3 sets of Syaoran & Sakura couple in here:
1. Mother!Sakura & Father!Syaoran who were originally in the test tube waiting for the time coming and save the day. It’s them who sent our little Syaoran Jr. to the trip of the other world.
2. Little!Princess Sakura (whose parent are Nadeshiko and Fujitaka) & Syaoran Jr. whose names are actually not their real name. They encountered Fei Wang and met a tragic end. Little!Princess Sakura was locked in the cut-off time. Syaoran Jr. broke the taboo and was captured by Fei Wang.
3. Princess Sakura (whose father is Clow) & Clone!Syaoran. Princess Sakura was originally with us in Vol1. After being captured and cloned by Fei Wang, her body fell apart and disappeared. Clone!Syaoran was created from Syaoran Jr. by Fei Wang. Clone!Syaoran who realized his feeling to Sakura sacrificed himself to save Syaoran Jr.
Also there’s Clone!Princess Sakura that Fei Wang created her from Vol1 and sent her to the journey as we knew. Her body merged with Little!Princess Sakura’s body. Her soul turned into sakura petals and disappear.
It’s odd number here. So I get the idea why’s CLAMP said there’d be one has unhappy ending.
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Intersting theory Part 3
Third, I think I understand the fact why Fei Wang surprised that Father!Syaoran used Clow’s magic circle because as we know from CCS, Syaoran could not able to use it because he’s not as a direct descendant as Clow Reed.
The fact Yuuko told Fei Wang about Father!Syaoran be able to use Clow’s magic circle “because it’s something that Clow passed to this child.” If the theory that Father!Syaoran is Clone!Syaoran is true, then please remember the conservation between King Clow and Clone!Syaoran when he’s little. It proved the theory.
Also, our Seishirou used to said that he knew Syaoran Jr.’s father very well. If the theory is true, of course he knew too well because he’s his mater XD CLAMP is so CLAMP.
Yey, the mystery seems to be openned
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In Other Word..
Because of the idea that Tokyo being Clow Kingdom’s past and the fact that the time Kohane gain the feather and the time Sakura’s feather scatters didn’t match. It’s because TIME starts to fall apart. If the time is falling apart which means it’s not much strange that the present could become the past and the past could become the future.
Something like at first there were originally Mother!Sakura and Father!Syaoran and Syaoran Jr. Then Mother!Sakura saw a dream that their son will break the taboo causing the distortion making another Sakura (Princess from vol1) and Syaoran (Clone from Syaoran Jr.)
For those who know the consequence of the taboo will cease to exit. That why King Clow was replace to King Fujitaka and Queen Nadeshiko. Or I can say that Clow Kingdom whose King is Clow is the past of Clow Kingdom whose King is Fujitaka and Queen is Nadeshiko. Of couse it also include Syaoran Jr. parents.
For some reason, they realized that another Sakura and Syaoran after the distortion were actually their past self. Well, I assume it could have something with Yuuko. Erase memories or something because before that Syaoran Jr. paid his price to cut off his realationship with his parent to go to Clow Kingdom one more time. The distortion made Watanuki to be their son.
Because two existences of the past and the future should not exits at the same time point, it would made paradox and the logic of the world will be crumbled. But Mother!Sakura and Father!Syaoran can’t die before without helping their children, they went to the tube until the day comes. And that’s when the Clones died.
As fas as Fei Wang wants is the worlds of worlds falling apart, so that he could break to logic to revive someone who alrealy dead and not in any world anymore.
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Re: In Other Word..
“Because two existences of the past and the future should not exits at the same time point, it would made paradox and the logic of the world will be crumbled. But Mother!Sakura and Father!Syaoran can’t die before without helping their children, they went to the tube until the day comes. And that’s when the Clones died. ”
You have a very interessting theorey here!! ^^ It would totally make sense why the two have to be in that other dimension, (in that tube), and why they show up only now. (well why they show up know could be also because they have to wait until Yuuko is being “survived”, or be between life and death so she could do that magic.
Still, it’s very odd how and WHY this happens. Does this mean that TIME was reversed for 3 times? Wait…if the clones are told at the moment shaoranClone died, and then they waited a long time till they have a child, (why should they do that??), sent that child to the past so that that child save the princess sakura …IF their child managed to save that princess, doesn’t that mean that the clones own existences would be erased (why do that? only to save the worlds? what do the worlds do when THEY themselves dissappear?? I thought clamp is totally against idiviuals sacrificing themselves to save the world(s)??? Is that the reason why Shaoranpapa said: “no matter how painful that choice may be”.
But wait a moment. If they didn’t sent their child there, how can FeiWang do his plan? Who will then turn back time if he was not sent there?? If FeiWang can’t do his plan, the world(s) would be saved also? Or is it like shura and that future version, and the future of parents clones are already destroyed, but because they sent their son to the past, they created another timeline, and if the world in this new timeline is saved, then the old timeline would dissappear?
But wait wait….is THAT the choice the clones have to make??? to live happilly in another dimension, NOT creating a new timeline, not be in that tube and NOT being erased in the process??? Because they are in the future not happy about this they did this anyway???
here is the end…because MY BRAIN EXPLODES!!!!X_X
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Btw, I read a strange comment in the fandome about Watanuki is Fei Wang Reed’s future. How the hell they come up with that idea? It seem more outrageous than the clones being Syaoran’s parents.
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weird. i just read this post that Doumeki could be Fei Wang or something.
http://ceitean.livejournal.com/20133.html
the proofs fit PERFECTLY!
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Well there are many nonsenses people can think of, same as the “doumeki is feiwang” theory. If THIS comes out to be true……..
….
well, I don’t know what to say (or to think)……
But at the end, if the clones are really the parents, it’s still sad to see how the clones first die, then to (happily) see them “alive” in the dream, then we see them really alive as parents, and eventually see them..well, die…
;_; where is my happy end (with the clones)?
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I guess I haven’t been reading the story closely, because I’m not sure who’s who anymore. 😮 I’m hoping Book 28 will be the end of the series, because the story really hasn’t moved along much since Book 26.
And Chapitre 219 should be the last chapter of Book 27. Total chapters for these nine make 164, the shortest book since Book 15 at 165 pages (and that book had an extra bonus chapter).
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@_@
…ok, excuse my language, but… what the fuck?! @_@ i rarely cuss in the internet, so thanks a lot CLAMP-sama! >. CLAMP better find a good fitting explanation for this extra new pair of Sakura and Syaoran.
Word! =(
I appreciate the news, today. Though today is getting twisted and confusing (including some of the other things i went through “outside”), i enjoy this chapter, so i’ll read it again when it’s translated. 🙂
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Personnaly, I find the number of SxS couples absurd.
Each time Clamp is trying to create a plot twist, they throw in a new pair, this is a very mediocre work 😦
The whole ‘well, in fact, those two had nothing to do with CCS’ is ridiculous too at this point of the manga: I am absolutely not delighted nor surprised nor whatever when learning this info. The only emotion it stirred could be explained by: *blank look ~ turns away and go read another manga*.
That said, I am actually making a desperate effort right now and forcing myself to think ‘the story plot will turn out ok…somehow’.
I am expecting more from TRC then this cheap plot.
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L-lol I feel like I should C&P the tl;dr comment I left in my journal explaining why the heck I was saying that about the clones & the parents ;;;
SHORT VERSION (IN CASE ANYONE CARES): I WAS KIDDING. But there’ve been a few things in the past chapters (+ Sei’s comment about Syao’s dad) which… might be pointing to something like that actually happening. So thar, that’s the “theory”.
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Don’t worry! And I’m sorry, I didn’t want to put you under pressure (which is why I didn’t mention your username).
But it’s just a theory, anyone can theorize, right? I found it interesting and decided to share =)
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Hahaha but it was hardly theorizing, it was more like… idk. a dumb comment that ended up possibly having some sort of truth to it 8D;
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Phiuu=_=’
Clamp Please answer the question?? tusbasa fan almost get bored U_U’.
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I’m confuzzled!!!!
Okay… what in tsubasa isn’t confusing? but now I’m really confused with the CCS and TRC parentage issue… Who are TRC!Syaoran’s parents? Chinese!S&S or CCS!S&S????
Anyone kind enough to clear this up for me???
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But time flows differently in each dimension. Remember when they FK and SS were separated and ended up in Shara country? Even though they traveled at relatively the same time, F&K landed months prior to S&S landing with Ashura.
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too many S+S pairs ~_~
For some time now I was kind of able to understand about the 3 different pairs of S+S…but now….like many others I lost myself…
Well, I’m guessing that a few years might have passes like maybe 3 years (max) since at the end of CCS manga, the clothes that CCS!Sakura were wearing r her jr high uniforms…unless it’s also their high school uniforms (which is highly unlikely)
Your theory was a bit helpful but at the same time made it more confusing ^^;; Oh well, at this rate CLAMP definitely needs to give us answers. So WHY is the next chapter so LONG?!
….oh dear
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Count me as confused too *_*
Maybe I’m slow, but could someone please explain why CCS!SxS were ruled out as Jr.’s parents? Is it because teenage-looking Sakura gave Chinese-clothes-wearing Sakura the staff? Couldn’t Chinese!Sakura be CCS!Sakura from the future? Or am I way off?
I just really don’t want to believe that CCS!SxS have no real part in this story. I was so excited when I thought I found out they were the parents, and now my head just hurts. @_@
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chapter trc
A whole month without TRC!? are they fucking kidding us!?
Not only the story is a big fucking twist that is almost ruining our life, but they also want us to wait a whole month for next chapter. can’t believe it!
I agree with u. i thought too that this volume was gonna have till chapter 220, but i guess were wrong. CLAMP is not gonna add a chapter in two days of releasing volume 27. i think chapter 220 is gonna be the first of 28. the problem here is that we are running out of chapters to solve all the misteries around trc, considering that the manga has only 28 volumens. there’s a lot of things to explain yet and i don’t think 10 chapters are gonna be enought.
so sakura and shaoran mother and father are not the same from ccs!? i have been with this douth for weeks. at first, i thought the same as you, but then i realised that maybe sakura mum was sakura ccs. tell u why: ccs sakura gives to her older being the staff, who used it as a price; ccs sakura gets old without having the staff; when ccs sakura becomes sakura mum, she needs the staff to pay the price, so she meet her younger being in a dream, who gives her the staff… sounds too crazy??? I don’t know. but if ccs sakura and sakura mum are not the same, i’m gonna kill CLAMP. how can they play with our feelings like that…???
>>”It was the ultimate proof that CCS!Sakura was Jr.’s mother” don’t you mean “wasn’t”. because css sakura is not jr.’s mum, right??
i guess clow pass his magic to shaoran dad. yes, i don’t think yuuko was talking about jr…
sakura mummy and shaoran daddy being sakura and shaoran clones. no, i don’t think so. that cannot be… right?? I mean, which explanation will it have? I mean, what about the time problem… in this present, clones are almost dead and inside a dream… how can they become the parents who are now fighting against FWR!?
there is a lot of explanation that CLAMP must give us. and as i told u before, i don’t know how are they gonna do that in only ten chapter….
thank u for reading all this
kisses
PQ
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taking the previous point about if ccs sakura and sakura mum are the same, this are my reasons to believe one thing or the other:
THEY ARE NOT THE SAME: the reasons that i find to believe this are few:
a) why sakura mum has to ask for the younger self being’s staff is she is suppposed to have her own…
b)the chinese clothes
c)Jr. said that the japan he comes from has a desert. there is no desert in ccs…
THEY ARE THE SAME:
a) the staff is important to sakura mum…
b) her simbol is the same as ccs sakura and shaoran daddy’s simbol is the same as ccs shaoran’s
c) the last name LI
d) shaoran’s sword: Jr. inherited the sword from his father, and that sword is the same as ccs shaoran’s sword
e) daddy and mummy sys are descended from Clow, as ccs sys
f) the Touya and Yukito that yuuko remember recibing the tube from look just the same like ccs touya and yukito.
g) Jr. recognised nadeshiko as his mother’s mum.
as u can see, the reason to believed that are the same are superior to the ones that not. in the other hand, in chapter 217, when mummy sakura remember the dream with ccs sakura, she said: “who is the same AS me”. if ccs sakura wasn’t her self being in the past, why dind’t she said: “who look like me” or “was like me”, or something…
i’m not trying to mess u up, but is confusing and i want to know your point of view.
kisses
PQ
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c) The Tottori Sand Dunes are frequently referred to as a desert.
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a) We could say that the staff was important to Parent!Sakura because she needed to give it as a price to Yuuko.
b) Parent!Syaoran seems to be using the magic symbol in a different manner than CCS!Syaoran. You see, the only time we see the symbol in CCS is when Syaoran is attempting to locate something–several times on his divination board, and once underneath him when he is trying to find the owner of a certain coat. Parent!Syaoran and Jr., conversely, use it in the same way Parent!Sakura and CCS!Sakura use theirs.
d) Parent!Syaoran’s jian is definitely not the same sword as CCS!Syaoran’s–it’s much, much larger, is slightly different in color, and has a sharp edge (CCS!Syaoran’s jian was specified to have a dulled edge in the first CCCS Art Book). In fact, the reason why I’m commenting here is because I’m so sick of people thinking that the swords are the same. If you all weren’t so unobservant, you would find yourselves far less confused!
e) CCS!Syaoran and Sakura are both indirectly related to Clow (the former is a distant relative and the latter is the daughter of one of Clow’s reincarnations), whereas Jr. is said to be directly descended from him.
g) Jr. did not seem to recognize Fujitaka as his grandfather or Touya as his uncle.
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c) i didn’t knew that
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a)True, but for the way sakura mum look at it, I think is far more important than that. But I have to admit that, if the theory that ccs sakura and sakura mum are the same, I don’t see why sakura mum don’t have her own. eventhought, ccs sakura told her about the cards… if they’re different people, how can sakura mum be aware of the cards and what the staff do to the cards???
b)maybe, but it continue being the same simbol and the same source of magic. and don’t forget that for sure ccs shaoran and ccs sakura’s magic powers must have grown a lot since they are little kids. I imagine that after so many years, they are able to use their own magic in more powerful ways…
d)I have compared both swords and they seem the same to me. The form is the same and about which is larger, that’s irrelevant. I have noticed during CCS manga different lenght about shaoran’s sword, and in the same manga… And about the color, I haven’t seem yet Jr. sword in colors…
e) In chapter 202, in page 4, when fei wong says “clow”, jr. remember hearing that name as his father’s DISTANT ANCESTOR. as far as I know, I have never seen they were directly descended from him. and ccs shaoran is a distant relative of clow reed.
apart fron that, someone told me that CLAMP have said (I’m not sure about this) that there’s an only Clow. So, if he is dead in CCs and the only relatives left in the present are shaoran and sakura, how can exist another shaoran and sakura, in another dimension, also relatives of clow???
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What? new pair of Syaoran and Sakura? (not CCS Syaoran & CCS Sakura grown up)
I was kind of confused about Clow passing power down to which Syaoran, too.
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OMG!!!!! reading all the theories about the 3 pairs os SxS!!!!!! my brain and everything is going to explode… I’ll wait for Ohkawa to resolve all the mess that she made…. there’s an explanation to everything, And this time I wont think in any more thories ’till the end…… we have 3 weeks to take a break with the clone thing…..
Really Clamp made a great mess with the clones and the souls……
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…joining the general calamity…
LOL! Doesn’t this mess totally reflect the break-down of reality though???
I’m not even going to attempt to figure out what’s happening now, but I did notice a few things…
>>I just saw this freaking brilliant and twisted theory that the “parents” could actually be the clones! I don’t know much about it, but it would fit perfectly?
Funnily enough, this was the first thing that came to mind for me too! So we know the clones turn out ok, end up having a kid, who goes back in time to when the father made a wish to save the mother? Total brain-boogler and totally awesome! ^^
Yuuko mentions how they’ve turned back time in ch216 (the blood relatives could be ANOTHER Toya and Yukito ^^).. so is this the 2nd time they’re doing it, or is Yuuko being all cryptical, and actually referring to right now?
Also, did anyone else notice that in ch 217, when Sakura and Syaoran pull out the big spells, there are actually 4 copies of each of the circles for both of them? Foreshadowing? (in that we actually need 4 S+S copies to overwhelm FWR XD)
And the Chinese clothes on Sakura in the dream, who recieves the staff? Can anyone clarify that one yet??
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O M G?
Hi there! first post here (though I’ve been lurking around in the shadows for a looong time :p)
I love reading all the theories but I decided a year ago that I was NOT going to think on anything TRC related anymore. That way I avoided brain pain XD or a serious mental illness XD
>> I just saw this freaking brilliant and twisted theory that the “parents” could actually be the clones! I don’t know much about it, but it would fit perfectly? I could totally see CLAMP doing this.
Yes! I could totally see them playing with or brains XD
The things that ARE doesn’t seem to be, and the things that seems to be ARE NOT what we expected. ¬¬U
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Official Site update.
Tsubasa Shunraiki Part 2 Screenshots are out!
http://kc.kodansha.co.jp/tsubaholi/tsubasa/special.html#shotKouhen
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I think i have the pairs down but don’t care much about it to explain!Part of me is glad to see Yuuko fine and well but part of me is still worried cause this could be the famous last dream before death!This series needed Hinoto as a guide!(better yet Kanoe she’s more trystworthy)
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I don’t know. CLAMP better explain – in a month [rolls eyes at the length of time until the next chapter] – what is going on.
I just assumed with chapter 218 that the older Sakura (Shaoran’s mum) was future CCS|Sakura and that it was necessary for CCS|Sakura to give her future self her staff. I figured that it could be explained with a sort of time paradox. CCS|Sakura gave her staff to her future self, because her future self needed the staff at that time in order to help defeat FWR, which is why her future self didn’t have the staff in the future. Because FWR was warping the nature of reality, it was possible for Sakura to achieve such a paradox without breaking reality herself.
Granted, that was because I just assumed that as CCS|Sakura became older, her powers would mature with her and perhaps her mastery over the Clow Cards would change just as it had initially, becoming stronger, etc. I just guessed that her future self needed her staff at that moment – that staff with its specific powers at that moment in time – in order to defeat FWR.
This idea that Shaoran’s parents aren’t real… it is consternating and confusing.
On another note, I’m really concerned about what this means for Watanuki (and for that matter, Doumeki, Himawari and Kohane). I don’t even know what sort of effects it could have on him.
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Hi Chibi Yuuto 😀
>> I just saw this freaking brilliant and twisted theory that the “parents” could actually be the clones! I don’t know much about it, but it would fit perfectly?
AMAZING THEORY ! I really hope you are right! Wow! Great thinking here ^^ I am impressed !!
>> By the way, next chapter only on May 13th! I don’t know how they are gonna do since Chapter 220 is supposedly from volume 27.
I have calculated it, and I think chapter 219 is the last one of volume 27. I might be wrong, but here is how I have calculated the no of pages, from chapter 211 to chapter 219 (9 chapters): 20+16+14+20+20+15+17+27+23 = 172 pages which is as usual, or I am mistaken ?
Do you think there will be another break for June? I remember that last year, we did not get any chapter that month. What do you think ?
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I’m pretty amazed that ohgawa-sensei didn’t experience brain-dead when she thought about how to squeeze all the syaorans & sakuras she’d created almost perfectly (to me, coz i’m lazy to think of any plotholes) into the plot.
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